First, I'll show you a chart that illustrates how pessimistic you are these days compared to earlier years. To make this chart, I went to a well known polling site, copied the numbers into an Excel spreadsheet, and presto:

So, in 1998 (during the Clinton era), Americans were 65/35 on the optimistic side, but now (during the Bush era) we are 65/35 on the pessimistic side. A complete reversal. Are things really that bad? No. In fact, the evident pessimism is borderline ridiculous, but it's hard to appreciate that unless you look at some simple charts. I'll be looking at quite a few as time goes on, but let's consider some right now.
Growth of the Gross Domestic Product (GDP) is, perhaps, the most basic measure of the health of any economy. A growth of 1% is often described as anemic, 2% is so so, 3% is good and 4% is excellent. Let's take a look at that measure during the Clinton and Bush eras (I got these numbers here):

Give the man credit: GDP growth was very good under Bill Clinton (averaging 3.7%). It took a hit during the early years of the Bush administration, but it has snapped back smartly since, right back to where it was during the Clinton years (the 2006 value is an average of the first 2 quarters of the year). Why did things go south for a while? First, the stock market bubble popped. The Nasdaq's long slide (i.e., the dot-com crash) began in March of 2000 and continued until October of 2002. That sucked a lot of life out of the economy. Second, September 11, 2001 happened. In light of those two unforseen calamities, it's amazing how well the economy has been doing in 2004, 2005 and so far in 2006. Whether or not Bush's policies are responsible for the impressive recovery is a matter of debate, but it is clear that, at a minimum, his policies have not choked off economic growth. Give that man credit, too. Except no one does. Despite the fact that GDP growth is right back to where it was during the Clinton era, Americans don't feel the same way about the economy, to say the least. Why not?
The jobless recovery, perhaps? No story about the so-called jobless recovery should have gone to print without some basic charts that would provide some perspective. Here's a useful, perspective-supplying chart (data acquired here):

What you can see is that unemployment has been relatively low all throughout the Clinton and Bush administrations. Thus, all of the obsessing about the "high" unemployment rate during the last presidential campaign was so much nonsense. It was made possible because reporters avoided using charts like this one. Let's zoom in on the unemployment situation just during the Clinton and Bush years:

The economy bounced back in terms of GDP by 2004, then the unemployment rate -- which was never very high -- began to drop as well. In fact, it's now right back to where it was during the Clinton years. But back then, we liked the economy. Now we don't.
Inflation? Is that the problem? Let's look at the chart (based on data obtained here):

Inflation during the Bush administration has been much like it was during the Clinton administration. Even so, back then, we liked the economy. Now we hate it. So, what exactly is the problem? The "record setting" budget deficits, perhaps? Not really. Stagnant wages? Maybe, but I doubt it. I'll take a look at these a bit later, but for now, my point is that any story you read about some aspect of the economy ought to include simple charts like these. Those two stories about budget deficits and stagnant wages -- like almost all stories about the state of economy -- don't do that. You can learn more from a few informative charts than you can from reading the words of a reporter who has an agenda that is advanced, not by showing you the actual numbers, but by using bumper-sticker slogans to create the impression that things are "spiraling out of control." Oh wait, that's the phrase reporters use to characterize Iraq. Well, they don't use charts for that purpose, either (and for the same reason).
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When looking at the dismal GDP number for the first year of Bush's term, it's worth noting that he inherited a recession from the Clinton years. Economies don't turn on a dime, so you accountability for that first year needs to be traced back to policies in place the previous year.
That said, presidents get far too much blame and credit for what happens in the economy. That's another story, which distracts from your main point - how the mainstream media has manipulated the public's opinion of the state of economy. You provide some great perspective.
Good analysis. What I find absolutely stunning - and I don't think it has ever been pointed out - is the fact that many in the MSM called the first half of Bush's term a recession. Have we gotten so cynical that slow growth is called a recession, or is this just another example of BDS? I'd hate to see how the MSM would react if we actually did have negative growth.
The best thing that could happen to the stock market would be for us to elect a Democrat in '08. Of course, we would also have to accept the inevitable stock market bubble that would go along with all the cheerleading.
It's entirely due to media bias. Every month a dozen economic statistics come out. Some go up, some go down. Whichever one does worst is the one that gets the most headlines. People don't remember the absolute numbers (and the MSM won't give them charts), but they DO remember the headlines. So in September "gas prices got worse". In October "unemployment got worse". In November "inflation got worse". In December "gas prices got worse" again. HOWEVER, in October and November, gas prices got BETTER, but that news was buried on page A18! Only those with a good memory for numbers will figure this out though. The rest will only remember "down down down down". At this year's American Association for Public Opinion Research conference, data was presented on perceptions not of how the economy is doing, but whether it is getting worse or better. Republicans sometimes say it is getting worse, sometimes better, and that balances out over several years. Democrats consistently say it is getting worse every single month and have been saying so for several years. If they were correct, we would be in a terrible depression by now. Related data found that Republicans tend to base their perception of how the economy is doing on how they and their neighbors are doing, while Democrats claim to base their perception on "inflation and unemplyment statistics", except they don't REALLY know the actual numbers, they just remember the "worse worse worse worse" headlines and imagine the statistics are bad.
It's worse than that. I remember about a year ago, just before Katrina, seeing Bob Schieffer on CBS News report the latest employment numbers. Behind him the graphic showed a jagged, downward pointing line with the the text "Job Losses". And Bob reported a significant increase in job growth.
To say the least, I was stunned with what I saw. How many people heard 100,000 jobs created as being jobs lost?
This was not a momentary "X" over Dick Cheney's face, this was a preplanned story. They knew days in advance what day the job numbers would be released. They knew what the economists were predicting. At the least they should have had two graphics ready. But the Jobs numbers are always released in the morning about eight to nine hours prior to the evening news going live.
Two words: gas prices.
Great article but I blame the Bush administration as much as anyone for the lack of communication with the American people.
Why the mood swing?
The initial swing was due to the popping of the DOT-COM stock bubble.
When was that? 2000
A lot of folks were feeling pretty rich up until the popping and then were feeling poorly.
So discretionary spending declined and we had a recession.
Then we had September 11, 2001 which also dampened the economy. But why are we still bummed given that the economy recovered?
Fear - fear of terror and Islam.
Wars - wars that were not finished (Afghanistan) and wars that are not going as well as we had been told they would (Iraq).
Then we have repeated instances of managerial incompetence of the Federal Government. (and many local).
And the gyrations of gas prices.
Add to all that the stuff citizens can't really understand like the fear-of-global-warming and the concept of peak oil (but not peak hydrocarbons!) _AND_
That is why the mood went down from the beginning of 2000 and why it remained down even when the GDP growth recovered.
NOW we are watching the housing market-boom deflate and possibly crash. So our mood is unlikely to improve as the cash cow (or wealth-cow) of fast-rising housing "values" goes away. Remember - housing values replaced the fast-rising tech stocks as the main thing making individuals and families feel like they were "getting ahead" and maybe even wealthy. [all while our national saving rate has gone negative].
So - while there is a mainstream media factor I believe it is not the greatest factor.
Because real GDP has been falling for the bottom 80% of households - all growth has come from the top 20%. It may be easy to blame Dan Rather for everything, but it's not always true.
http://www.census.gov/prod/2006pubs/p60-231.pdf
I think that "unemployment" is the most deceiving parameter for a developed society. There tension arises not from people without jobs, but from people that are not satisfied by their jobs.
Arpad,
Not satisfied in their jobs since the MSM keeps telling them they should not be (grass is always greener). Also remember when unemployment kept going down the MSM had to say "Well they are not the good jobs!"
And TallDave, Gas prices are going down in case you forgot to get your head out of the sand. blame Katrina History hysterics for the market pricing making it this high to start with.
Can anyone really deny the psychological effect of $3/gal gasoline prices, though? I pay by gas card, so the monthly bill gets my fullest attention... and I feel poorer, though not poor!
And, we are reminded of the high price of fuel every single day, even if we don't make a purchase. The huge numerals grab our attention each time we drive by a filling station.
Yes, the economy is good, but this one factor is a real drag on confidence.
A simple question: how do you, or anyone, know how good the economy as a whole is?
Answer: You depend on numbers compiled and released by the government, and on government and private "analysis" of those numbers. And in most cases the methods of compiling and analyzing those numbers haven't changed in half a century. Who in their right mind would think that a formula devised in 1950, when this was primarily a farming and manufacturing economy, is still accurate fifty years later when it's primarily a service and management economy?
Second simple question: How do individuals judge "how good the economy is doing?" Answer: If they don't know how to understand the numbers (which they don't, because the numbers are meaningless), they judge by their personal circumstances. Right now, and for the last several years, most people's personal economic circumstances are lousy. Wages are stagnant, and people are scared for their jobs because they know that high stock prices (one of the leading indicators of "economic growth") are generally achieved by layoffs and other forms of corporate cost-cutting.
The obvious conclusion is that much of the "economic growth" of the last ten to fifteen years has been smoke and mirrors, and a lot of people know it. They also know that your fancy charts are meaningless, because both the numbers and the assumptions they're based on are wrong.
I don't want to sound like sour grapes, but the stars were aligned right for the Clinton economy. Expansion was already underway, he got to spend the peace dividend, 1994 Republican House majority kept him away from big spending, dot-com boom, etc. If voters in 2008 elect a Democrat as President with the expection that he can recreate the Clinton economy, they are more likely to get the Jimmy Carter economy - stagflation, high unemployment, general pessimism ....
"And in most cases the methods of compiling and analyzing those numbers haven't changed in half a century."
Not so. John Walker (http://www.shadowstats.com/cgi-bin/sgs/)has noted that every administration since Kennedy has modified their procedures to reflect favorably (lower inflation, higher growth, lower unemployment) than the preceding administration. According to Walker, if the number crunching had been left unchanged those people on Social Security today would be receiving 70% more in inflation pegged benefits.
Isn't the problem that real wages for people outside of the top decile or so have been stagnant to falling for several years? The New York Times ran a long article three or four days ago that purported showed that real wages alone were both stagnant in real terms and falling as a percentage of GDP for everybody who was not in the top decile. The numbers were less egregious when you factor in "benefits," but most people do not view the large sums employers are spending on their healthcare as equivalent to disposable income. Yes, GDP is doing well, but the lefty argument is that too high a proportion is ending up in the hands of stockholders and the mostly highly paid employees. People are understandably reacting to the decline in real wages when they report that they don't think much of the economy.
But the New York Times and CNN keep telling me the .economy IS terrible. Are you suggesting we're supposed to fact check them and tune in to additional news sources? Oh, the blasphemy!
I think the economy is good. But there are important counter-points. First, jobs today lack the permanance that used to be expected. People may change jobs every few years instead of decades. Second, with the switch from pensions to 401-Ks we are much less certain of our retirement income. Finally, raises have not been keeping ahead of inflation, as we used to expect.
If we're going to talk about the Carter economic (and general) malaise, and we're going to mention that presidents inherit economies from each other, let's also mention that Carter inherited a mess from Ford/Nixon. And for that matter, one might as well consider that the Reagan turnaround may have been built on a foundation laid by Carter. (It must at least be conceded that Carter was, for most of his presidency, at the very bottom – where foundations, after all, are laid.)
The Yankee's Joe Torre says don't fuss over the standings, look at the basics. Joe measures the Yankees not in terms of first place, but in terms of games over .500. A sound, sensible, and farsighted policy. Likewise, I look at politicians not in the way the economy 'performs under them' (which is BS), but on the decisions they make which are consistent with sound capitalist principles.
For example, NYC Mayor Guiliani focused on the elimination of corrupt practices in NYC (he courageously took on the Mob in garbage hauling and other areas that Koch, Dinkins and others before him chose to ignore). He also went after petty crime (turnstile jumpers) in order to cultivate a less fearful atmosphere. Such policies are good for the economy, and as it happened, NYC's economy turned around with amazing speed. The stock market rise was a factor as well, which is precisely why the economic turnaround is NOT what I consider, but rather the positive policies that the politician instituted.
Nixon and (especially) Ford did nothing I can think of that might be considered sound economic policy. Paul Volker offers a good example of implementation of sound policy that. though unpopular and unrecognized at the time, paid dividends later. So Carter does get some credit, via Volker, for beginning that foundation.
Clinton instituted welfare reform, another good macro-policy. And it may be that ONLY a Democrat could have gotten welfare reform through. A Republican could never have gotten enough Dem votes to achieve it. Clinton was willing to stand up to the leftists for the greater good, and surprisingly never suffered lasting political damage for instituting a 'Republican' type of reform.
Any policy that frees up trade (despite short term local upheavals) is GOOD long-term policy. Policy that attempts to regulate hiring practices (i.e. all the current Dem/Union/Mob noise about Wal-Mart) is BAD macro policy. Policy that makes people safer and more secure is generally good (though 'at what cost' is always a consideration). Rent control is a BAD macro policy (it actually prevents the construction of more rentals, which would naturally bring down rents). Taxing emerging industries is a BAD policy (stifling economic growth engines).
And so on. This is what I go by, not performance charts during short periods of time. The plunge during the first year of Bush's administration is a prime example of why charts mean nothing. (Of course, that won't stop the media, will it?)
In 1999 my investment account was up 99%! (Its value almost doubled.) Not everyone made that much, of course, but for anyone with money in the stock market, their personal situation looked great into 2000. Ditto for houses; price rises not as great, of course, but most people own their house "on margin" (i.e., with a mortgage) and so can make similar returns on their money. Of course, supernormal returns can't go on for long, or even for as long as our expectations for more of the same. Naturally, my personal situation does not look as good to me as it did in 2000, even though I know there's no real blame to go around here, let alone a perticular person to lay the blame on.
Excellent article! As a former OMB economist I know how the media ignores economic data, as well as other facts they overlook when it suits their purpose! What jumps out at you from this article is just how successful the media propaganda machine has been at discrediting the Bush administration. I also fault Republicans however, who always seem behind the 8 ball when it comes to promoting the facts.
"Inflation" as measured by the CPI and PPI is meaningless as a measure of
what things cost the consumer.Prices are rising at a much faster rate than these numbers indicate.Compare real prices of housing, education, medical care, food, fuel etc over the past 8-10 years against income.The "economy" sucks. Throw in the stupid choices many people make-assuming too much debt- aggravated by the recent increase in interest rates/decline in housing equity/liquidity and it is even worse.
Don't forget the main graph that you have left out which is comparing corporate profits vs. median wages.
Corporate Profits are soaring while wages as souring.
As most of the progressives have said, a number of times, "Who's fabulous economy"?
Why is it that Clinton gets credit for welfare reform when all he did was sign the bill that a Republican Congress sent him? And then only after he had vetoed two earlier versions!
It's as though folks don't understand the legislative process any better than they do the economic one.
One of the funniest things, is when the MSM publishes a reason for a market downturn, but then just a few weeks later uses the same reason for an up-turn.
I've spotted this on two or three seperate occasions. The media apparently know nothing more about economics than they do about explosive warhead damage to ambulances. They make up reasons for things, instead of just telling us what happened.
It's called distribution of income you morons. Just because GDP goes up, does not mean everyone is benefitting equally. If the increase in income is distributed to a narrower segment of society, the rest will have a predicatably unfavorable view of your stellar economy. The rest of the country doesn't need the media to tell them their paychecks aren't getting any bigger, their healthcare isn't getting any cheaper and gas prices aren't getting lower.
Clinton's numbers were better because a broader percentage of Americans benefited from GDP growth. Agregate data can't explain away individual experience.
One related change in public media is the shift from the "get rich quick[ly]" meme of the Clinton years to a sober Republican "work for your supper" story.
Here in Silicon Valley, the Clinton years were a mad rush for the quick buck. The little recession of the early Bush term sobered everyone up.
Thanks for doing the research. Very interesting analysis.
I am sorry, doubters and Bush bashers, but the MSM's version of reality is extremely important in shaping the mood and perceptions of the people. It is ridiculous (and a bit infuriating) to hear people deny such an obvious fact.
The current unemployment rate is below 5%! I don't care who you are, or how you try to qualify it, that is an amazing number. How many periods in our history has the unemployment rate been hovering around 4.6%? Does someone know? For how many months/years in aggregate in the last 100 years has the unemployment rate been 4.6% or below?
I can guarantee you that unemployment that low is always associated with good times and a roaring economy. So why are people so pessimistic today? Please. It is obvious.
For all of us, the only window that exists to the world outside our daily experience is the media. I only know what George Bush looks like, or that there even is such a place as the Middle East, because the media tells me. I've never been there; I've never met George.
And I can tell you, as a relentless consumer of media products, that the media has been telling me that the economy is rotten, shaky, listing dangerously, blablabla for years now. And yes! It does rub off as a feeling of pervasive anxiety; the sense that "things aren't right." This is in contrast to the bubbly, giddy days of the late 90's when everything just seemed so right!
I think Instapundit said it best - while wages may be stagnant, people are advancing through job mobility. I've been working at a biotech for several years and made some pretty significant contributions to their process which resulted in lots of profit for the company. They didn't give me a raise however, because "That's what they HIRED me to do". I recently switched jobs and was offered about 50% more money because of my (newly) proven track record.
I think that in previous generations, the company for which I made the discovery would have given me a raise in order to keep me at the company. However, I think that may be happening less and less. At some point, my optimizations will reach a point of diminishing returns. My company believed we were at that point and were willing to lose me to a company who felt I could make a larger impact.
PS: This scenario highlights yet another unsung accomplishment by the Bush Administration - at both companies I have a HSA and was thus able to keep my health benefits during the transition without a hiccup.
the problem is that you stupid shitstains actually believe the massaged numbers put out by the feds. said another way: you're ignorant dipsticks and really need to wake up, pull your heads out of your asses and smell the inflated coffee prices.
Immigration explains a great deal about why Americans are dissatisfied with the economy even though the unemployment rate hasn't gone up. Usually, immigration slows during an economic slowdown, but that didn't happen this time around, probably because the Bush administration stopped penalizing employers for hiring illegals. Between 2000 and 2004, 6.1 million immigrants arrived, which is even more than arrived during the 1996-2000 expansion. From 2000-2004, total job growth was about one million. Assuming 80% of immigrants have jobs, that means four million people who were employed in 2000 were out of work in 2004. So the unemployment rate may have held steady, but millions of people who used to have jobs don't any more.
You promised to deal with the wage vs. inflation problem later. I hope you do because I feel it's the key to why worker/consumers feel uncomfortable in your "fabulous" economy. As the CNN link mentioned, workers earning up to $80,000 annually were still failing to keep pace with the cost of living. Running their monthly budget in the red, even part of the time, makes workers nervous and unsure of their futures. NO surprise there!
A significant proportion of households have increased the number of jobholderss in the family, cut back on discretionary spending, and become more conservative in use of energy and materials, but still find it hard to get ahead. Many are hesitant to ask for wage increases because business has shown an increasing willingness to RIF workers out whenever possible.
This factor, along with the deficit/national debt hanging over us, is where the fear factor originates. A lot of workers are old enough to remember when interest rates hit double digits and brought inflation along at even higher rates in the late 1970's. They know what would happen if the interest on the national debt had to be paid at double-digit rates. It's enough to keep any halfway intelligent citizen awake at night.
Gee, Professor, you understand that journalists may not speak their true minds but seem to forget that this must therefore also be true of reg'lar folks.
No doubt what people say about The Economy and other such fancy big-word Important National Topics is highly conditioned by what the official commentariat says. Why not? Quite honestly, most ordinary people have no great clue about what all the abstract numbers mean. Or rather, they're smart enough to know that what the numbers mean is subtle, because the people presenting the numbers may have (ahem) all kinds of agendas. So, big surprise, when it comes to vasty Important Topics that seem to have no real direct bearing on their lives, folks tend to carelessly repeat what they hear "around" and on the TV et cetera.
Want to know what people REALLY think of the economy, the real one that affects their actual lives? Look at what they *do*. Do they take out mortgages? Buy new cars? Hire more people? Invest in capital equipment? These actions tell you far more about what people really think about the economy than what they say to pollsters about The Economy. I think these real indicators say Americans are right confident and optimistic about their economy.
Seems to me you're halfway to enlightenment: you see through the lies all right, but you're still letting the liars tell you what's important and what's not.
Everyone wants to blame the media for popular ignorance.
I blame government education for creating a market for mass idiocy.
When people are losing jobs, corporations are getting record profits, and the working class keeps getting shafted, of COURSE people will be pissed off at the economy.
Poverty rates are still going up. Minimum wage is still not being raised. Jobs are still being outsourced.
Talk about elitism... you are basically telling people who are losing their jobs or taking salary cuts that they should think the economy is doing good because you think so. Luckily, the American people aren't that retarded.
Hello:
Very good article - clear concise, and educational. Factual as it needs to be, but unfortuantely from reading the comments I see that the saying "Empirical Data has no effect on people's opinons." is true in many cases. By any logical thought process, we have a great economy, that is getting better, and will continue to do so. Much of this progress is due to Bush's policies and programs.
Frankly, at times I am surprized at the strength of the economy given the spending that this Congress has done, and some of the programs our President has implemented. I also believe that these need to be modified or the economic progress can be derailed.
Rather than look at the work you have done, and question preconceived notions, some prefer to damn you for providing the data, and thereby condradicting long help beliefs. Simply put, if you are right, they are wrong. Their world view would have to be changed, and no one does that easily.
At any rate, keep up the good work. Perhaps in your next article you will offer ways to get these data to the media, the public, and decision makers in D.C.
Regards,
ggda
Why do you think jobs are being out-sourced? When labor for unskilled jobs costs less in another country, those jobs will be moved to those places. And what is the democrat/liberal big plan for the economy? Raise the minimum wage!
To every anonymous commenter who had the good sense to note that distribution of income is the reason why most Americans (justifiably) thinks our economic situation is neither good nor getting better - APPLAUSE! To Engram: get this month's issue of Atlantic Monthly (with a cover headline about declaring victory on the war on terrorism) and then turn to the handy chart showing income distribution in terms of a parade where peoples' heights correspond to what they net from this fabulously healthy economy of ours.
The reason corporate profits are up compared to personal income is that in an expanding economy, corporations, get this, actually make more money!!!! guess what they do with it? they re-invest it as capital (raises, jobs, equipment, supplies, etc.). Job growth means higher demand for employees. Higher demand means higher wages. Corporations have the option to let the employee go to another company which will pay them more or they can pay to keep them there. This obviously doesn't happen overnight.
I was just looking this morning at the Dow Jones average. We are up 1300 since the beginning of the year - very close the peak during the last year of Clinton, but everyone thinks the market is down.
The thing missing from these statistics is the amount of money the Government is spending from debt. Both Reagan and Bush II look good on just employment data, but they grew the economy by spending money they didn't have to pay for.
I would not discount what the average American feels about the economy, they don't look at the rich getting an extra bonus for outsourcing jobs to India, they look at their prospects for advancment, cost of living increases and getting those anoying children out on their own.
As most of the progressives have said, a number of times, "Who's fabulous economy"?
I am Fabulous Economy!
Poverty rates are still going up.
(You can tell a Times reader.)
Can anyone tell me why poverty rates might rise (from 12.5% to 12.7% -- I'm sure that change is much bigger than any margin of error) while millions of unskilled workers are illegally entering the country? I'm as stumped as this poster.
"The thing missing from these statistics is the amount of money the Government is spending from debt. Both Reagan and Bush II look good on just employment data, but they grew the economy by spending money they didn't have to pay for."
No true. Debt and debt payments as a percentage of GDP are LOWER since 2000 than they were throughout the 1990s. Check out this graph.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:National_debt_as_a_%25_of_gdp.jpg
And to the people arguing that the income distribution gap has widened, that is a silly argument. The 'Bottom 20%' 10 years ago is not the same 'Bottom 20%' now. It is a meaningless comparison. It would mean something if there was no economic mobility in this country, but nothing could be further from the truth. It is obvious many of you did not take economics.
I don't know about your economy down there, but up where I live (Vancouver), the economy is rocking, construction is occuring throughout the region (the 2010 Olympics are coming), and housing prices remain high. Like the previous commenter who developed a product for his firm and then got a substantial raise from a horizontal transfer, I took a new job a couple months ago at a 100% pay raise. And, the firm I joined has added 4 or 5 new people into the same group (a 35% increase) during the last year. That wouldn't happen if the economy sucked.
I don't know about your economy down there, but up where I live (Vancouver), the economy is rocking, construction is occuring throughout the region (the 2010 Olympics are coming), and housing prices remain high. Like the previous commenter who developed a product for his firm and then got a substantial raise from a horizontal transfer, I took a new job a couple months ago at a 100% pay raise. And, the firm I joined has added 4 or 5 new people into the same group (a 35% increase) during the last year. That wouldn't happen if the economy sucked.
Unskilled workers do not have a Fabulous Economy, and I challenge anyone reading this to explain exactly how the Economy is Fabulous for unskilled American workers.
I toil in a menial dead-end job for the Oregon minimum wage of $7.50 per hour. (If you think that is ample to live on, I note that a study released two years ago estimated that nearly one in five (19 percent) Oregon renters pays at least 50 percent of their income for rent. Puts a big dent in your standard of living.)
Yes, the Economy is improving - fot the middle class and the wealthy. Sales volume where I work is up 20 percent from same time last year. Since I am the only employee onsite during my shift, I get to perform 20 percent more work with no increase in pay. Since workers are hired and assigned workstations in discrete units, I don't get .2 co-worker to help.
When employment increases, household formation increases (an unemployed twentysomething living with parents gets a job, then gets his own place to live), rental vacancy rates decline, and property managers pick up the cue to increase rents.
In a Fabulous Economy, wages of the unskilled do not keep pace with the increase in cost of living (especially rent) they face.
KMan -
Of course income distribution is fluid - it is driven largely by AGE.
An 18-year-old in his first job is going to be near the bottom of the income distribution. So it is hardly a surprise - or proof of high upward mobility - when he is no longer in the bottom quintile ten years later.
Similarly, a 70-year-old living only on a modest Social Security check is likely to drop out of the bottom quintile due to death.
First, the term "income distribution" is misleading, implying as it does that there's a set amount of income out there that somebody is dividing up.
People who are in the lowest income bracket are more likely in ten years to be in the highest bracket, than they are to still be in the lowest. That's upward mobility. Age isn't worth more money to an employer - increased productivity through greater skills is worth more money. Yes, the two often go together, but don't be confused by the cause and effect. Rich people often drive a Lexus, but if you go buy one so you'll get rich, you'll be disappointed.
As to making 7.50 per hour, if they raised the minimum wage to 10.00 an hour, you wouldn't have that job, someone else who's skills and productivity are worth the increased amount would have your job. If your skills and productivity are really worth more, go sell your services to someone who values them more, don't complain that your current employer won't pay you what you're worth. I'll bet you buy your gas at the cheapest place you can find.
Whether you can live on your wages is none of your employer's concern.
The "economy" sucks. Throw in the stupid choices many people make-assuming too much debt- aggravated by...
I'm sorry you're too stupid to hold a job and maxed out your cards buying dumb stuff. Bad move dude. Maybe you'll get a good life lesson out of that...then again, probably not. Leftists never learn.
I don't understand the problem that people have with the mainstream media. If the contention is that they are trying to bend the country to the left, then clearly they are not effective since Bush has won two elections in a row (well, maybe he didn't exactly win the first one, but he did end up in office) and the republican party has held both houses since the nineties.
The best thing that could happen to the stock market would be for us to elect a Democrat in '08
You make an excellent point because you backed that up with hard evidence.
/sarcasm
It's the guest workers, stupid.
The dive in 2000 was caused by the American Competitiveness and Workforce Improvement Act of 1998 which Clinton signed. That act increased guest worker visa limits from 65,000 per year to 115,000 in '98 and again to 195,000 per year in 2000. The limits dropped back to 65,000 when the legislation expired in Oct. 2003. There is a direct correlation between the number of guest workers we let in and economic decline. Check the charts. In 98 people we mostly optimisitic. We let in 4-8 million guest workers from 1998-2003 and the economy promptly fell flat on its face. That's because 1) those guest workers were mostly from India and China and they hate us (they won't hire Americans), and 2) the imported workers didn't sustain the high tech jobs and companies the way were were promised in '98. Instead they came in and cleaned out Silicon Valley which is now mostly a wasteland of empty buildings and FOR LEASE signs.
The facts don't lie. Every time there has been a mass immigration to America, the economy declines.
There was the 1906 and 1920s immigration wave and the Great Depression ensued. Then there wasthe 1965 Immigration Act sponsored by Ted Kennedy, a Democrat, and that was followed by the 1973 recession. Then we have the Immigration Reform Act of 1990 and had the 92-93 recession. Then we had the ACWI Act of 1998 which opened the floodgates and we had a near disaster in 2000 from which we have not recovered.
In fact people are now selling their houses left and right because there aren't enough jobs for Americans now that the guest workers have destroyed them all. I would remind people that before the guest workers got here, the economy was booming.
We're going to have a housing collapse and then a staock marekt crash as more and more Americans have to sell off their assets to survive. Meanwhile we continue to export $165 billlion in wages to foreign countries every year.
No wonder the economy is bad and no wonder Americans are pesimistic about it.
Let's see if we can stay out of another Great Depression.
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Having graduated fairly recently, I don't have the benefit of historical perspective...all my working years have been Bush years. However, I have had the benefit of living in various parts of the country, and my observations would be that lowered wages that are not keeping up with inflation, as well as a housing bubble has contributed to peoples feelings on the economy. The statistics for Seattle are that home prices have risen around 7.1 percent from 1994 - 2004, but income level has only risen 3.1 percent. Friends and family in various other cities report the same issue. The only (somewhat) safe haven seems to be certain areas of the Midwest, where home prices have risen, but steadily instead of in monster steps.
An older report on Seattle housing:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/251608_housing10.html
Unfortunately, this adds up to a housing softening at best, and a crash at worst. ARMs are going to be in lots of trouble.
I think many people also are starting to see a gap between the haves and the have nots as well...the higher income brackets seem to be slipping away from the lower income brackets; families need 2 full-time workers in order to come even close to the median income level, and for some even that is not enough. I'm always amazed when I try to think about how a single-income family does it without falling apart.
That is true.
I began working in 1992. I went through the 90s boom. Americans were gaining increased wages and were also creating an unprecendetned number of jobs (20 million alone from 1990-2000). I personally was making $120-$130K a year developing software but was worth it because I worked 16 hour days and made millions for the people I worked for. It was a good time: Americans were paid more, companies were making billions. The system worked. During that time hosuing prices also got driven up because everyone had money to spend. Unlike wages, the housing prices never came down.
Then all the corporate elite got greedy. They all seemed to think they deserved to be Bill Gates. So they began lobbying Congress to flood the labor market with millions, and I do mean millions, of cheap labor workers from the 3rd world. That drove wages down.
I remember in 1993 making $60K. Today I have trouble finding a job at $60K and it's not because I don't have the skills or am not qualified. With the CPI going up 4% every year prices are now 52% higher than they were in 1993. Yet wages have been depressed and even fallen to levels lower than 1993 levels. This cannot continue without having an economic collapse.
People have to have money to spend if the economy is going to survive. That is what the 90s taught us. Companies claim they can't make a profit when they are paying talented workers $100K a year but if that's true then how were they able to make billions in the 90s?
In Japan companies pride themselves on paying their people well. And Japan has one of the most equal distributions of wealth in the world. There are very few poor people in Japan. Companies in Japan don't try to force wages to the floor in an effort to make more money. Instead they focus on making better products so that more people will want to buy them and sales will go up. Japanese companies invest in their workers. When Toyota needs to lay off 5000 people the CEO of Toyota calls the CEO of Honda and asks him if Honda can take the 5000 workers. They don't just throw workers out in the street so that the CEO can get a $40 million bonus. Japan is enlightened capitalism in which everyone wins. It would be anathema to any corporate exec in Japan to do anything which would disrupt society.
America is being destroyed because greedy executives think they all deserver $100 million in pay a year while workers deserver to make $40K a year for the next 100 years regardless of inflation. This cannot continue. It will lead to economic collapse eventually. Even Henry Ford said "I have to pay my workers enough to enable them to buy my product".
America could use with a healhy dose of Japanese capitalism right now.
Terry in the NW works at a minimum pay job for the unskilled, and wonders why his situation is not getting better...
Try improving yourself in either education or skills Terry. ALL unskilled make less. Most work themselves out of unskilled by the above two choices. Do not expect an unskilled job to ever improve your position in life....it won't.
You must be a part of the class of "govt. owes me" folks. I went to work at 16.....retired last Friday. Never asked anyone for anything, and ALWAYS considered myself responsible for myself and family. When i needed more money I worked two jobs.
I also learned and advanced. That is how I managed to reitre comfortably although not wealthy at age 63.
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For Annonymous and the great Japanese Capitalism: I will cede that Japan does seem to have a more compassionate brand of Capitalism than we do. I would submit that Japanese companies have something else that American companies don't have: an educated, employable population. Our public school systems have been churning out highly (self) esteemed graduates with practically no exposure to economics or history. We have created entire generations with no concept of what works and what doesn't (I submit some of the above comments as evidence). These graduates (that would be us) must go through life rediscovering the hard lessons of history, again and again. But we know how to feel good about ourselves in our ignorance. That's a good education.
Other commenters rail about greedy corporations shifting jobs offshore. Let's examine one of the reasons: taxes. Income taxes, specifically. The US tax code requires American companies doing business overseas to pay American income taxes on their overseas earnings. Fair enough, one might say. Except that most other nations do not play by these same rules. Other nations require that companies based in those nations pay only income tax on the money earned domestically. Say, for instance, the Royal Dutch Whatchamacallit (RDW) company sells their widgets in the US as well as in the Netherlands. The Netherlands would tax only what RDW earns in the Netherlands. The IRS will tax RDW America for their earnings in the US. Now, let's take an American producer of widgets, who just happens to have an overseas market for their widgets. The American Widget Company (AWC) will pay income taxes in the USA on what the earn in the USA, and they will pay income tax, to the foreign entities, on their earnings in the foreign said foreign markets. Seems fair enough. BUT, AWC is required to pay American income taxes on their foreign earnings, as well. Not such a big deal? The merger of automotive giants Chrysler, a US company and Daimler, a German company provides a good example. While deciding which country to base the new conglomerate in, the corporate big-wigs weighed many considerations. According to John Loffredo, vice president and chief tax counsel for DaimlerChrysler, they decided to base the new company in Stuttgart instead of somewhere in the US because of the tax situation. In the US they would face a 67.5% tax rate, while the actual DaimlerChrysler, headquartered in Germany, pays only 44%. So instead of going for a smaller piece of pie, the US government gets no pie at all. That's helpful, isn't it?
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I feel there is something that I didn't see mentioned yet; the types of jobs. I'm pretty conservative, but I've seen numbers from my home state of Michigan compared to others, and it's terrible. A few months ago, there was an excellent example; one conservative site pointed to a new report of job growth; several hundred thousand jobs in government, health care, and the restaurant industry. This was followed by news of tens of thousands of lay-offs by the Big Three auto companies. Overall job growth? Yes. Good jobs? No. These people in the industry were losing decent paying jobs with good benefits and a traditionally long term outlook to Mexico (oh yes, free trade is so helpful!) so they could go, what, become one of these 40000 waiters and Red Robin cooks, along with low pay and no benefits? Some might have gotten into health care or the government jobs, but it's unlikely that an assembly line worker would get hired for paper pushing. And thus, that's thousands fo people right there that were getting hurt.
Our ecenomy isn't terrible, but it's not great. Unions are being busted, pensions are becoming dreams (and not just future ones), and more and more people are going into the service industry, while even high tech stuff like microchip creation heads to other countries. We are gravitating towards small and successful groups of managers, doctors, lawyers, etc, and large bases of people with lower incomes (let's not forget that the average household has lost real income despite the fact that the bread winner now works literal weeks longer a year AND there are alot mroe secondary income earners).
In other words, individuals are getting boned and they know it, regardless of the overall economy.
I was always told that the numbers will speak for themselves. But not when they are gagged or misrepresented by the mainstream media. John Kerry's revised "misery index" is just such an example of good economic numbers being twisted into bad. Misrepresentation of economic indicators should be considered an act of fraud!
A lot of the lefties here are trying to argue that this economy is in bad shape due to the income gap. The income gap is indeed real, but one must realize a very important thing about it, which is that the purchasing power of the bottom 20% of income earners in this country is roughly equal to that of poor people in socialist pardises such as Sweden and France. So-called poor people in this country are able to afford homes, cars, televisions, cell phones, etc, and their wont is for luxuries, not necessities. So the upshot of the income gap isn't that the rich get richer while the poor get poorer, it's that the rich get much richer while the poor get a little richer. And if the poor get what they need to live contently, what exactly is wrong with wealthy people getting even wealthier? The poor and the middle class in this country are suffering nothing in this economy except envy.
Historically, we live in the age of stupidity. It is inescapable. Life is so complicated today that everyone is stupid at least part of the time.
The economy is a huge playing field. Your personal experience (and mine) don't affect that field much--and also aren't affected by that field much.
That means that even if all of the economic indicators say the economy is great, you could find yourself unemployed for a long time. By the same token, you could find your income doubling every year even when the signs are down.
So, those of you with "I did great, so the economy was great" or "I did crappy because the economy is crappy" posts--wake up. You're just being stupid.
To quote Dennis Miller, 'a Bear market is one where I lose money along with everyone else--and a Bull market is where I lose money while everyone else gets rich.'
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If we elect a Democrat in 2008 we'll all be blown up and we won't have to worry about the economy..no thanks
Please, the economy experts here are mentioning huge corporate profits. I believe that you are refering to the dollar amount but not the PROFIT MARGIN. Exxon made 9 billion but on 100 billion which is a profit margin of 9 percent. Not bad, but certainly not gouging either.
No wonder people don't feel the economy's so fabulous. Here's a map showing how much median salaries are down over the last 6 years by state. http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2006_09/009444.php
Do you seriously beleive the stupidty coming out of your ignorant muscle of a head?? Tell the unaquivical truth, Clinton created more jobs in his 2 terms, than Reagna, Bush I and (I dont even have words for current Pres. Bush), now this is what should be consider the economical slouch Pres Reagan, and Bush I left him to deal with. Two racial biggots, cutting taxes for all who benefit!! Also when the the Repulican party legt the economy in the a huge slouch, which created the depression, it was public reform programs that help the economy. I am not saying go from one extreme to the next, but The republic party is at a all time low.
The rich get richer and if the economy continues to grow America will be a third world country, oh except for the rich ones.
I have a question did you consider the research on the gap between the rich and the poor????? There is a huge gap, espicially since the 1960s when one person could work full time and support the family
To: Edog Chairman, true ignorance a worthy name judging by your standards
the purchasing power of the bottom 20% of income earners in this country is roughly equal to that of poor people in socialist pardises such as Sweden and France. So-called poor people in this country are able to afford homes, cars, televisions, cell phones, etc, and their wont is for luxuries, not necessities. So the upshot of the income gap isn't that the rich get richer while the poor get poorer, it's that the rich get much richer while the poor get a little richer. And if the poor get what they need to live contently, what exactly is wrong with wealthy people getting even wealthier?
On purchasing power...hmmm do you really want to judge the purchasing power, when huge corporations set their address overseas, so they can miss out on paying Uncle, and scamm the american tax payers, by forcing low wage workers to pay high gas, no med insurance(oh no med insurance, becouse your buddies are ripping of the Gov.)
You tell me how can poor get the necessities in life (med insurance, food, lights, water,
college tuition, if the minimu wage is 5.15.
companies like Walmart pay their employees measly wages, and teir cost to make a shirt for 13.86 is less than a dollar...Why??? becouse their job market is over seas.
Lastly, did you not hear the report of of 6 kids ranging from age 3-14 literly burned to death on Sept. 3/Chicogo becouse they were forced to used candles BECOUSE THEY COULD NOT AFFORD ELECTRICITY!! The economic gap between rich and poor is not just a money problem is a matter of life and death.
You mentioned that you would discuss the wage stagnation issue later. I have a theory about this. Because people think the economy is poor (as the polls show), employees are afraid to ask for raises lest they be targeted for downsizing and employers know they can get away with smaller raises because employees are more concerned about keeping their jobs than their salary.
Don't vote anymore, it only encourages them!
What good is getting more education/skills, when only 20% of US employment is highly skilled, and the rest (80% of it), is unskilled "service industry" work?
There isn't a demand for more highly skilled workers in America. Globalization has outsourced America's middle class jobs, and has made the US economy a caste system.
If anything, most Americans are underemployed/over-educated given the jobs that they have. For example, all service industry work would probably require no more then an 8th grade education, yet most workers who work in the service industry, have a High School diploma. That is just one simple example at the lowest scale.
No more investment in education means no more growth. Worldwide. Period. No more understanding of language worldwide? No more growth. Period. How can people communicate when their government won't even invest in languages? No more awareness of vast investment in destruction for immediate revenue? Worldwide? No more growth. Period. Some want the world to end. Be aware of their intention. Educate those that chose ignorance. Educate those that think of their personal boundaries. Keep reading the classics to know how out of date we are.
What are you denying? Your color, your income, your preferences or your nationality? They all won't matter when the Amazon is gone.
Can you remember how stupid the most powerful leaders have been?
You should consider using correct economic data, it might explain why Americans are more pessimistic. The GDP growth rate for 2006 came in at 2.2%, far short of the 3.5% predicted rate, and even shorter of the 4% advocated on your graph. The fact that you chose to inflate your GDP growth rate by .5% above the predicted, and by almost double the actual provides a good explanation for why Americans are pessimistic. They are sick and tired of being fed falsities and lies, when they only have to look at their credit card balances to see where the nation is headed.
The very phrase "income distribution" is a contradiction. Income is earned. Income distribution is used by those who'd like to take from the folks who actually work and give to those who don't want to.
The economy is fabulous? Who are these economists trying to kid.
Ever since the Reagonomic era, yeah that's right, for those with short-term memory loss, it didn't begin with the Clinton's years.
The Reagan Administration were largely responsible for their anti-union/pro-business crusades which helped layoff thousands of employees in the auto and airline industry. Apparently cowboy Ron never heard of cause and effect.
It's amazing that the majority of our government's debt of $4,000,000,000,000 has and still is spent more on military weapons than for education and other social programs.
The U.S. has been backsliding further from an economic
superpower to a kind of corporate feudalism. The working class aren't the only ones that are discontent - many middle class folks are feeling the pinch too.
A recent article in The Economist
stated that for the average American Middle Class household to live comfortably, not extravagantly, they have to be making 90 to $100,000 a year.
If outsourcing of jobs, stagnant wages, the war on terror, gouging gas prices, job layoffs,
and the influx of illegals given a free pass into our country because corporations want cheaper labor is your idea of a great economy, you can keep it.
Empirical data and stock prices are meaningless to a person who does not have the wealth to invest in the first place and living paycheck to paycheck.
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