I'm sure you've heard all about the article written by a soldier named Thomas Beauchamp (originally under the name of Scott Thomas) for The New Republic in which he "documented" several instances of inhumane behavior on the part of US soldiers in Iraq. His story, called Shock Troops, begins with this error:
I saw her nearly every time I went to dinner in the chow hall at my base in Iraq.
It is the story of soldiers callously mocking a women whose face had been disfigured by an IED. Many bloggers noted that the story did not seem to add up, and their doubts forced The New Republic to print a defense of Beauchamp in which they said:
Beauchamp's latest, a Diarist headlined "Shock Troops," was about the morally and emotionally distorting effects of war. The piece was a startling confession of shame about some disturbing conduct, both his own and that of his fellow soldiers.
However, they also admitted that this incident happened in Kuwait, before Beauchamp arrived in Iraq. That is, before he could have experienced "...the morally and emotionally distorting effects of war." Mark Steyn said it best:
War is hell, but, if you beat up a bloke in a pub in southern England a year before D-Day, that may not be the best anecdote to prove your point.
Now, it appears that the whole account may have been a fabrication, though I'm not sure that this has been definitively established yet.
In any case, my point today is that the war in Iraq simply drives liberals crazy, and because of that, they keep adding to the ranks of what I call the Liberal Media Hall of Shame. Beauchamp and The New Republic magazine are only the latest inductees. To be inducted into the Hall of Shame, you have to fight against the war in Iraq by making false and sometimes outrageous allegations against our troops or the war's leaders (Bush and Blair, mainly). One of the inaugural members was, of course, Dan Rather:
Dan Rather to Step Down at CBS
Anchor's Decision Comes Amid Probe of Flawed Bush Report
By Howard Kurtz
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, November 24, 2004; Page A01
Dan Rather said yesterday that he will end his nearly 24-year reign as CBS News anchor early next year, setting the terms of his departure instead of waiting for an investigative report on his rushed and admittedly flawed story on President Bush's National Guard service.
...
Rather apologized in September for a "mistake in judgment" in relying on apparently bogus documents for a "60 Minutes Wednesday" report charging that Bush received favorable treatment in the Texas Air National Guard three decades ago. But the apology followed 10 days in which Rather and his network doggedly defended the story despite mounting evidence, some of it assembled by Internet bloggers, that the memos in question could not have been written on an early 1970s government typewriter.
And then there was CNN executive Eason Jordan who, like Beauchamp, made outrageous (and outrageously false) allegations against our troops:
CNN executive resigns after controversial remarks
Friday, February 11, 2005
ATLANTA, Georgia (CNN) -- CNN chief news executive Eason Jordan resigned Friday, saying the controversy over his remarks about the deaths of journalists in Iraq threatened to tarnish the network he helped build.
Jordan conceded that his remarks at the January 27 World Economic Forum were "not as clear as they should have been." Several participants at the event said Jordan told the audience U.S. forces had deliberately targeted journalists -- a charge he denied.
And we should not forget BBC chairman Gavyn Davies, who made the career-ending decision to accuse Tony Blair of lying:
BBC chairman resigns as Hutton inquiry clears Blair
Last Updated: Wednesday, January 28, 2004
A British judge has cleared Prime Minister Tony Blair's government of wrongdoing in the death of weapons expert David Kelly. Shortly afterward, the chairman of the BBC resigned because of criticism of its "unfounded" reporting in the case.
Reading from his long-awaited report on the inquiry of Kelly's death last July, Lord Hutton said the government did not "sex up" a dossier on Iraqi weapons, a claim made by the BBC.
...
Shortly after Hutton's report was released, BBC chairman Gavyn Davies announced his resignation.
And then there was Howell Raines, the executive editor of The New York Times, who was relentlessly hammered by Andrew Sullivan for creating a culture of biased reporting. Sullivan even created a "Raines Watch" feature on his web site in order to monitor developments. Here is its initial entry in March of 2003 [note: this link is no longer working -- perhaps his old blog entries have been expunged forever]:
RAINES WATCH: Now that the war has begun, you can rest assured that the New York Times will go into overdrive to discredit it. Today's offering has the following headline: "Move to War Leaves Some Feeling Alienated." In fact, the story is about liberals in California, a somewhat odd subject for a story the day hostilities begin. Readers are hereby asked to keep an eye out for the Times' forthcoming attempts in news stories to broaden and focus on dissent at home.
According to this Wikipedia article, "Raines was lauded by many for instituting a program to increase diversity and to revive advocacy journalism." Another Wikipedia article says this about advocacy journalism:
Traditionally, advocacy and criticism are restricted to editorial and op-ed pages: a fire-wall exists between the editorial section and the newsroom. The Wall Street Journal, for example, has a policy of strict separation between the news desk and the editorial board; most major print and electronic news outlets do as well. In contrast, advocacy journalism takes a position on the issues of the day, and one is likely to observe subtle or obvious editorializing in reports.
Gee, 'ya think? Well, it was Howell's "commitment to diversity" that really did him in. Raines resigned from his position in the wake of the Jayson Blair scandal:
NEW YORK (CNN) -- The New York Times Thursday announced the resignations of its two top editors -- the latest bombshell in a journalistic melodrama since a rising star reporter was forced to resign for plagiarism.
Still, the advocacy journalism that Andrew Sullivan was hammering away about helped to set the stage for Howell's resignation, so he at least deserves a brief mention in any discussion about the Liberal Media Hall of Shame. And now we have Thomas Beauchamp and the editors of the The New Republic (because they are defending him) as the newest inductees.
By way of comparison, who are the conservative reporters who are torpedoing their own careers by fabricating stories about Clinton or Reid or Pelosi? I can't really think of any. The only conservative reporter who comes to mind is an extremely minor one by the name of Jeff Gannon whose "offense" was to ask a softball question of Bush during a press conference. If liberal reporters were similarly slimed for asking questions of an opposite nature (i.e., questions designed to make Bush look bad), we would not have a White House Press corps.
Career-ending journalistic insanity -- mostly attributable to the war in Iraq -- appears to be almost exclusively a phenomenon of the left. If you know of some prominent counterexamples, though, please set me straight.
56 comments:
The right doesn't need its journalists to fabricate and deceive: their politicans do it for them. See George W. Bush re: WMD, Iraq/Al-Queda connections, torture, illegal wiretapping, federal prosecutor firings, the list goes on and on.
In over 4 hours there's not been one comment listing a reporting faux pas from the right. That leads me to a few observations:
1. These occurrences are rare as hen's teeth.
2. Nobody reads this blog.
I think in the case of #1, the number of right-leaning journalists is quite small compared to their left-leaning counterparts so the law of averages is at work.
In the case of #2, since you've received an "Instalanche" your blog traffic has probably increased exponentially.
Therefore I would conclude that the incidence of right-leaning journalistic malfeasance is miniscule.
There's no future in being a right leaning journalist in journalism.
Sigh. Great to argue that a decision to go to war in Iraq was/is "immoral". However, drop the "illegal" wiretapping. In order to be illegal, something must be against the (or "a") law. FISA warrants, executive privilege on foreign intellegence gathering (versus warrant requirement on domestic communication) all of this passes over your pin-head, nate. And federal prosecutor firing? They serve at the pleasure of the president - didn't you ever see that left-wing fantasy called the TV show "the West Wing?" [I recall the characters would recite that line with great pride - to show they served the president and of course could be fired by him at will.] So snark all you want, ironically on a post about media sticking to THEIR narrative irrespective of the facts.
P.S.: I hope the left comes to power soon. Then, after they have gotten everyone used to their property being subverted by the state for "good" reasons, another group can oust the left and take control of a much larger, more intrusive government. And not the republicans - they are pissy little wimps. Set the stage, fool, and wait for the leads.
Yeah, it really is amazing how few instances of right-leaning fabrications/faux-pas there are.
...unless you count the numerous reports that WMDs had been found in Iraq
...or the numerous reports that Hussein was close to nuclear weapons
...or the numerous reports that he had chemical weapons
...or the numerous reports that he had biological weapons
...or the numerous reports that the scientific community is divided over whether global warming is occurring
...or the numerous reports that it is divided over whether humans are the primary cause of global warming
...or the numerous reports that the French government spends more money (per capita) on health care than the US government
But that's just scratching the surface. For heavens sake, people, just go to www.mediamatters.org for a DAILY update of numerous right wing fabrications/bullshit
Well, I was asking about prominent, named conservative journalists whose agenda-driven false allegations torpedoed their careers. Judith Miller of the New York Times, maybe? She got the WMD story wrong, but no one accuses her of simply fabricating the story out of thin air in order to tarnish someone's reputation (unlike, say, Eason Jordan and Dan Rather).
Although I can't tell for sure, you seem to be taking about non-media people like these:
"When I left office, there was a substantial amount of biological and chemical material unaccounted for. That is, at the end of the first Gulf War, we knew what he had. We knew what was destroyed in all the inspection processes and that was a lot. And then we bombed with the British for four days in 1998. We might have gotten it all; we might have gotten half of it; we might have gotten none of it. But we didn't know. So I thought it was prudent for the president to go to the U.N. and for the U.N. to say you got to let these inspectors in, and this time if you don't cooperate the penalty could be regime change, not just continued sanctions."
--Bill Clinton, July 22, 2003
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years. And that may happen sooner if he can obtain access to enriched uranium from foreign sources--something that is not that difficult in the current world. We should also remember that we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction . . . But this isn't just a future threat. Saddam's existing biological and chemical weapons capabilities pose a very real threat to America, now. Saddam has used chemical weapons before, both against Iraq's enemies and against his own people. He is working to develop delivery systems like missiles and unmanned aerial vehicles that could bring these deadly weapons against U.S. forces and U.S. facilities in the Middle East. . ."
Jay Rockefeller, October 9, 2002
EDWARDS: Well, the first thing I should say is I take responsibility for my vote. Period. And I did what I did based upon a belief, Chris, that Saddam Hussein’s potential for getting nuclear capability was what created the threat. That was always the focus of my concern. Still is the focus of my concern.
So did I get misled? No. I didn’t get misled.
...
And as you know, I serve on the Senate Intelligence Committee. So it wasn’t just the Bush administration. I sat in meeting after meeting after meeting where we were told about the presence of weapons of mass destruction. There is clearly a disconnect between what we were told and what, in fact, we found there.
John Edwards, October 15, 2003
Like Judith Miller (but unlike Dan Rather and Eason Jordan), these people are not liars, and they should not be ashamed of themselves for interpreting the evidence as they did. I assume you disagree.
Dear anonymous (aka bonehead) - those "fabrications" that you list were reported by all the press - left or right leaning. Those "fabrications" were also shouted from the left side of both houses of congress - who do not have to rely on the White House for their facts.
Perhaps if the intelligence agencies were stripped of the feet on the ground by Clinton, we would have had a little better picture of the situation. If the Left had not been shouting for Hussein's head as loudly as they could, maybe we would not have had a rush to war. No, they were blowing with the popular wind rather than leading.
Now let's all return to the issue at hand - fabrications in the media. I'm waiting for an example of a reporter on the right fabricating a story to do damage to a policy of the left.
Quasimodo
> those "fabrications" that
> you list were reported by all
> the press - left or right
> leaning.
> Well, I was asking about
> prominent, named conservative
> journalists whose agenda-driven
> false allegations torpedoed their
> careers.
The above two quotes capture the whole point. A) Most of the American press is basically spouting Republican talking points, even though they have little resemblance to reality. B) Of course no one ever gets punished/fired for this. Instead, they get rewarded.
Actually, a good chunk of the country never did believe the BS the White House and media were spewing. But they were completely shut out of the national debate by the media and right wing. Unfortunately, many (but not most) of the elected Democrats were stupid enough to buy in to the Republican/Media spin.
Since neither of the commenters who responded to my last message seem to have noticed, I'm going to repeat myself.
Go to www.mediamatters.org. There you will see a DAILY list of right-wing fabrications/bullshit.
There are numerous other sites that devote space to right-wing media fabrications/bullshit. But to find those, y'all would have to risk exposing yourself to points of view which you may not agree with-- something you're likely afraid to do.
See, here's the thing. We very casually throw around the term "lie" these days, and it's come to, on the Left, encompass virtually anything that someone slightly to the right of Stalin says or claims that you don't have video evidence and/or personal experiance of. But in point of fact, a "lie" is a deliberate, knowing falsehood. It can be slightly extended to include things that one perhaps should have known were false, but honestly that's a reach. Therefore it's rather disingenous to say that Bush lied about anything, when the consensus opinion of virtually the entire intelligence aparatus of the Western world thought that Saddam was actively pursuing, or had already reconstituted his WMD program.
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security." -- Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002
I'm sorry. Bush could've been the world's greatest liar, this chick was a senator fucking a former President, if anybody on the planet had good intel from outside the BushCo mind control rays it was her. So was she lying too? Or were both mistaken - wrong, but with no deliberate intent to mislead? Perhaps, maybe even probably. But "lying" is a stretch.
On the other hand, the various mass media scandals follow a familiar pattern; a sketchily sourced story, with details that tend to implode on even the most casual objective examination, who's main claim to veracity is the reinforcement of beliefs the target audience already holds. Even so, that's in the outer periphery of what qualifies as a "lie".
But what truly is different is a politician, by definition is engaged in politics; he/she is a known advocate for a particular set of positions. Therefore politicians are automatically more likely to spin events to fit their narrative. But the existence of a free press is supposed to be a hedge to unmitigated spin, an objective witness. Journalists are called "reporters" for a reason. When the best defense of their actions is that they're only doing what politicians do, it's fundamentally surrendering their identity as press and admitting that they're not much more than the propaganda wing of the opposition.
media matters?
now that is funny. that's like having Bill Clinton give classes on marital fidelity.
hysterical, anon, simply hysterical!!!
you and yours are just as partisan as those whom you disparage - pot calling the kettle black as it were.
The Left is built upon lies. Every political argument they make is either a distortion of the facts or an outright lie. This is why they get caught lying so much. Too bad Lefties, you can control weak minded people but you can't control reality. The truth always seems to leak out some how and it drives them nuts!
Perhaps my memory is hazy, but wasn't the "Arkansas Project" that was quarterbacked by Emmet Tyrell in an attempt to discredit Bill Clinton, one instance of a "reporting faux pas" from the right? I believe that Richard Mellon Scaife was the financier. Again, my memory may fail, but wasn't an airport in Arkansas (Mena?) supposedly used by drug trafficers with the knowledge of Clinton, according to this reporting, I think in the American Spectator?
Y'know, the inability of some commentators to respond to arguments is rather amazing. Junyo writes quite a few paragraphs about "lies" even though nobody else has used the term. He also appears to imply that someone (perhaps me?) has defended the press, even though neither the original post nor ANY of the commenters (least of all me) have done so.
Here's the bottom line: when any member of the media reports something that is a) untrue, and b) critical of Bush, it is immediately taken as evidence that he has a biased agenda and it may well cost him his job.
But when a member of the media reports something that is a) untrue, and b) favorable towards Bush or one of his policies, there are no deleterious consequences-- indeed, it can often be beneficial for his career.
Bushies live in an accountability-free zone. There are no consequences for their mistakes. That's why there have been so many serious errors for the last several years-- both in our media (filled with pro-Bush errors, as mediamatters documents) and in our country's policies.
A similar pattern can be found in Putin's Russia, Chavez' Venezuela, and pretty much any other country transitioning to dictatorship. And the consequences are invariably disastrous.
No sir, I am NOT going to go to Media Matters. Nor am I going to read any more Noam Chomsky. Stop directing me to your propaganda. Just stop it. Stop it. Stop. It. s. i.
But you're not going to stop it. It's all you've got -- you're narrative. You're nothing without your narrative.
YOU GO TO MEDIA MATTERS! You're the one who needs to be continuously re-hypnotized. I'm not interested. You had to say that twice. That's a feature of lunatic loons on the hard extreme LEFT, they have to make multiple posts.
Jerk. Did you know you're a propagandist?
I wrote:
> y'all would have to risk exposing
> yourself to points of view which
> you may not agree with--
> something you're likely afraid
> to do.
Chips ahoy wrote:
> No sir, I am NOT going to go to
> Media Matters
Congrats, chips ahoy, that was the second most predictable thing any of you have written in this thread.
(Top honors, of course, go to the references to Bill Clinton's sex life. Two of those so far, by my count, although I may have missed some. Bushies *always* bring it up, no matter what the context.)
The point that many of the "I know that is what you are but what am I" posters on this board fail to grasp is that the original post was illustrating the MSM propaganda machines failures in pushing it's agenda. Their efforts are so transparent that only those wearing those 1968 vintage rose colored glasses can not see it. One would think that for such "highly educated" people they could do much better then what they have been. They may be "highly educated" but they show no wisdom or common sense and being "highly educated" without those other attributes is useless as teats on a boar. It is ok, though, These "highly educated journalists" will have plenty of time to ponder it while making lattes at Charbucks or waiting tables at TGI Friday.
The downside for the "journalists" and management of the MSM is that they fail to realize that they work for a business-not the DNC or the whiter shade of pale Kos/DU/Bartcop denizens. I guess they skipped Economics 101 at college. They are going to discover that old adage is true-"Money talks and bulls**t walks.".
The goal of a business is to make money for it's share holders and owners. The MSM and Hollywood have essentially killed their golden goose as witnessed by the hemorrhaging of movie goers/DVD buyers, viewers and readers. Soon the accountants will burst their agenda driven bubbles and tell the owners that they either change the way they do business or go out of business.
I fully suspect that within two years there will no longer be a CBS news division. Viacom is not a diversified company and simply can not afford the losses much longer. Right now CBS Evening News has lost so many viewers that Katie Couric is costing Viacom $3 a viewer with that bloated contract of hers. Another that stands to either go out of business or be sold is the NYT-ol' Punch has run that company into the ground to the point where their stock is about to hit junk status.
d. gorton,
Instead of pretending to recall an example, why don't you say, "I searched and searched the internet, and this is what I found." If the story is legit, conservatives will welcome the hit; if it is crap, we'll knock it down.
Another commenter mentioned some kind of Bill Clinton/drug trafficking connection.
I remember a hearing about a video named the Clinton Chronicles on this topic, which I heard Rush Limbaugh denounce.
World Net Daily also seems a little too close to yellow journalism for comfort.
In both cases, I do not believe they pass the threshold required to qualify as "prominent, named conservative journalists whose agenda-driven false allegations torpedoed their careers"
This list is very weak tea.
Do you honestly believe George W. Bush completed his National Guard obligations? Why doesn't anyone in Alabama remember seeing him there? Why did he lose his flight status? Why the gaps in his records?
The fact that CBS aired questionable documents doesn't mean that (1) Bush completed his service and (2) didn't receive special treatment because of his father's political connections.
The story was true. Part of the documentation for the story was questionable.
Two different things.
But when a member of the media reports something that is a) untrue, and b) favorable towards Bush or one of his policies, there are no deleterious consequences-- indeed, it can often be beneficial for his career.
Case in point: Tony Snow.
nahanni-
One point that you fail to grasp is that right-wing media outlets are not required to make money. Witness Murdoch's NY Post (which loses many millions per year), or the Washington Times (ditto).
These papers are heavily subsidized Bushy propaganda efforts. Part of living in an accountability-free zone is getting to ignore the rules of Econ 101.
Another point that you (and the original poster) fail to understand is that CBS, Kouric, etc is NOT left-wing. Try looking through some left-wing blogs (I'll give you the benefit of the doubt in assuming that you're brave enough to read something you might not agree with.) I strongly you doubt you will find ANY praise whatsoever for CBS or the rest of the MSM.
And the MSM make far more pro-Bush errors than anti-Bush errors (which can easily be verified by a quick trip to mediamatters-- something that you Bushies are obviously afraid to do.)
Hi Greg,
Actually, I tried to recall the stories from the mid 90s that were published about Clinton in the Conservative media. I had trouble accessing my google/blogger whatever on this site, so I neglected to "search and search the internet" for an example. Frankly, it was one of the few I remember on the right. Another thing, don't assume that I need to be busted - I'm a card carrying conservative Republican - I just try to call them like I see them. Soneone had asked for an example on the right, and Emmett Tyrell and his American Spectator were as prominent as the Weekly Standard in its time.
Errors from the right?
1. The frequent claim that "mainstream media" refuse to print the true story -- usually accompanied by photos or a list of supposedly good things that happened in Iraq. In almost every case, the photos bear the marks of "Associated Press," or "Reuters," and sometimes the imprint of the newspaper that printed them. A few months ago there was a story going around the internet with a photo of a bronze statue of a U.S. GI helping some kid. The story identified the GI, the unit the statue honored, and noted that the sculptor had made it from bronze melted down from an old statue of Saddam Hussein. What the internet e-mail piece failed to say was that the language was all plagiarized, as was the photo, from the Dallas Morning News.
On the one hand, I wish we saw more good news about Iraq. On the other hand, I'm glad we don't see all the bad news. Maybe we get the proper balance.
2. WorldNet Daily ran a fantastic story that a woman in Maine had been told it would cost more than $2,000 to clean up her daughter's room after she broke a compact fluorescent light bulb. Mercury contamination, don'tcha know. No one can find the "consultant" who suggested the price. If one calls Maine's Department of the environment, one gets referred to the website that explains how to clean up a broken CFL bulb. No $2,000, no life-threatening mercury pollution. WND suggested that people should avoid CFLs. Nutzo. Totally nutzo.
3. There are hundreds of stories out there noting that 500 million people have died of malaria since Rachel Carson put a gun to the head of U Thant (or maybe it was Dag Hammerskold) and insisted that DDT be kept from all use, especially any use to stop malaria. It's unlikely that 500 million people died of malaria in the entire 20th century -- DDT was deployed in a few places after 1945. DDT was never prohibited from use against mosquitoes in anti-malaria campaigns. In fact, Carson was right: Overuse of DDT produced mosquitoes immune to the stuff, and a huge part of the dramatic reduction in use of DDT was because it simply ceased to work. Had we followed Carson's advice in 1963, we probably could have saved several millions of lives -- not 500 million, though. That's a totally fictitious figure. Conservative outlets all over the nation repeat it.
4. Al Gore alone stopped the defunding of ARPANET, the computer network that led to the current internet. When he noted he had done that, conservatives twisted his words into 'I invented the internet.' Gore never said that, of course. The lie still circulates. Gore laughs -- what else can you do in the face of idiocy, especially dishonesti idiocy?
5. A few scientists way out of the mainstream say that, while we should reduce air pollution, especially carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases, it's difficult to make a case that human activities alone have caused global warming. Conservative outlets take this little open door and run with it, claiming that global warming is a myth (difficult to find even tinfoil hatted scientists who argue that), and that consequently we don't need to do anything to fight air pollution (not even the tinfoil hat scientists argue that). Total fabrication of a false policy position featuring falsehoods about the views of the guys even on conservatives' side.
6. I love the line that "liberals and the ACLU have banned prayer in schools." The ONLY places you can find such blanket, absolutely erroneous statements is in conservative venues. Bill Clinton even sent a letter to every school district in the nation stating the law, which requires that school officials protect the spontaneous prayers of students. You'd think Christians of all stripes would regard that as good news -- but still the falsehood spreads.
How many examples do you want?
Oh, I forgot two of the most life-threatening lies perpetuated by conservative media:
1. Condoms leak, and are so ineffective they might as well not be used. Condoms don't leak about 99.9% of the time, and in the only study done on such stuff, proved more than 90% effective against the spread of HIV in couples where one partner was known to be HIV positive. You'll never hear that from a conservative outlet.
2. HPV is exclusively spread by sexual contact, so non-sexually active kids don't need the vaccine. Abstinence is no protection at all. HPV is a skin-contact virus -- no sexual contact at all required. That's partly why condoms do not offer 100% protection against it -- if the infection eruption is outside the area covered by a condom, there is no protection. But it also means it can be spread by simple skin contact. A woman with cervical cancer who tried to get that message to the Texas Legislature, but was prevented when they stretched the hearings out to prevent such comments, died just over a week ago. By the age of 50, 80% of women have one of the HPV viruses that cause cervical cancer. Even the faithful, monogamous ones.
Did you know cervical cancer kills, and it's a nasty, nasty death? You won't find that on any conservative outlets, either.
Best media bias-stupidity ever:
On February 1, 2005, the entire MSM filed stories that an American GI had been kidnapped by terrorists in Iraq and would be killed if Iraqi prisoners were not released. The photo of the soldier appeared on a terrorist Web site; the AP really played up the story, but the “soldier” in question turned out to be a 12” Dragon action figure. A doll, in other words. In their lust to publish bad news from Iraq, the media made complete jackasses of themselves.
Anonymous said...
Y'know, the inability of some commentators to respond to arguments is rather amazing. Junyo writes quite a few paragraphs about "lies" even though nobody else has used the term. He also appears to imply that someone (perhaps me?) has defended the press, even though neither the original post nor ANY of the commenters (least of all me) have done so.
Yet, the very first comment used the terms "fabricate" and "decieve" to defend the press.
Nate said...
The right doesn't need its journalists to fabricate and deceive: their politicans do it for them.
Pardon me if the substitution of the word lie for it's synonyms threw ya' there chief. Reading is just so darn hard.
No right-wing embarassments in the media? You mean apart from the dozens credulous administration cheerleaders who ballyhooed our way into the Iraq Debacle?
A few names for you:
Judith Miller
Gannon/Guckert
Robert Novak
In reference to Hillary Clinton, Junyo said: "this chick was a senator fucking a former President."
About the f***ing part: Now, that's a "lie" or "fabrication"!
Will both righties and lefties please stop pointing to the 'lies' told by our respective lunatic fringes? Yes, some righties say all condoms are as leaky as a Russian sub, likewise some lefties continue with the Bush lied, people died nonsense. Sharrup all of you loons.
I operate on the basis that
-the abiding fault of the left is the lust for power and to many will tell any lie to get it;
-the abiding fault of the right is the lust for money and to many will steal anything to get it.
-99% of everything is crap.
Serves me well.
oops, to=too
(Top honors, of course, go to the references to Bill Clinton's sex life. Two of those so far, by my count, although I may have missed some. Bushies *always* bring it up, no matter what the context.)
well, we could bring up what true "squashing of dissent" looks like...Waco? Elian?
so to rephrase, assigning validity to Media Matters is like learning about civil liberties from Clinton and Reno....
does that make you feel better?
we could also compare Media Matters "objectivity" to the Clintons' love of the military as well....
i am aware that people at the extremes, as you seem to be, would rather make unfounded allegations than discuss with a view to increasing knowledge, but would you actually like to discuss what the bbc / hutton case was concerned with, what actually happened, and then discuss the attitude of foxnews in light of that?
You really sound smart, righties, when you have yet to respond to any of Ed Darrell's points....
Ed Darrell,
My post was not about media errors. Honest errors are made all the time (Judith Miller comes to mind). My post was about deliberate fabrications designed to discredit Bush or Blair or the U.S. military. My further point was that the careers of prominent media figures -- all of them liberal -- have gone down in flames because of this odd tendency to fabricate (not just for making honest errors). Or did Eason Jordan just accidentally accuse our soldiers of murder? And did Dan Rather just accidentally stick to his story even after the evidence overwhelmingly proved it to be false?
Instead of listing what a left wing mind might regard as "lies," specifically name the prominent right wing media figures who have been forced to resign for sticking to fabricated stories designed to discredit Democratic leaders or the U.S. military. The editors of the New Republic are now sticking to the apparently fabricated story they unwisely chose to publish. At first, it was just Beauchamp who was apparently fabricating. He's a nobody. Unfortunately, the editors (like Dan Rather) are sticking to a discredited story, so they are moving beyond the stage of having made an honest mistake. It doesn't look good for them right at the moment, but perhaps they'll hang onto their jobs.
Who are the prominent conservative media figures who have similarly jeopardized their careers?
I can't believe anybody would actually sit and take the time to respond to this, but I'm going to anyway.
Why do the examples have to be "career ending"? That excludes Neil Cavuto who had the audacity to posit the notion that civil war in Iraq could be "a good thing". It excludes Ann Coulter who ruthlessly mocked 9/11 widows because they held differing political opinions from Coulter's own. It excludes O'Reilly who tried to push the argument that a child who was kidnapped and sodomized might have simply CHOSEN to stay with his rapist, pedophile kidnapper so he wouldn't have to go to school. It excludes Geraldo who compromised the security of the unit he was embedded with. The list never ceases.
I think the better question is this: why is it that people who so consistently degrade conversations into virulent, angry shouting matches - often racist or with violent overtones - get so much support from the Right? Why haven't the careers of Limbaugh, Coulter, Savage, Cavuto, O'Reilly, Gibson, etc. come to a screeching halt when each has been, on multiple accounts, caught lying, threatening violence on political opponents and colleagues, or simply making outrageous, disgusting claims about innocent or innocuous people.
The proper question is "why does the Right not end the careers of some of the most horrific talking heads in the country, why do they keep making these people even wealthier"?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A36545-2005Jan25.html
"Writer Backing Bush Plan Had Gotten Federal Contract"
Just one example of journalists receiving sometimes-lucrative contracts from the Bush administration, then writing columns/articles sympathetic to administration initiatives....
I guess they asked to what the republicans ever did.
OK
Carl Cameron, Fox News Channel (2004)
On October 1, 2004, Fox News Channel political correspondent Carl Cameron posted a news article on the network's website which apparently contained fabricated quotes attributed to Senator John Kerry, the Democratic candidate during the 2004 presidential campaign. The article -- titled "Trail Tales" -- falsely quoted Kerry as claiming to do manicures and being a metrosexual. Cameron also delivered a report on the September 30, 2004 edition of Fox News' Special Report with Brit Hume covering the presidential debates, falsely claiming that Kerry received a "pre-debate manicure." Fox News later retracted the story, saying, "This was a stupid mistake and a lapse in judgment, and Carl regrets it.... It was a poor attempt at humor." Critics claimed that Cameron's article was a definitive example of Fox News' alleged conservative bias. Fox News assured critics that Cameron was reprimanded, and the article was taken down from the channel's website.
Bush administration journalism scandals (2005)
Main article: Bush administration payment of columnists
The Bush White House paid public funds to right-wing media commentators by several U.S. executive departments under Cabinet officials to promote various policies of U.S. President George W. Bush's administration. Thousands of dollars were paid to at least three commentators to promote Bush administration policies. This included Armstrong Williams, Maggie Gallagher, and Michael McManus.
The reason you don't see examples of Right-wing journalists making career ending moves is simply because the right doesn't hold themselves to a standard of logical coherence when making arguments, so the necessity of accurate factual evidence is relatively small.
Well, the right-wing people don't need to get fired or resign, do they? They can just be born again and all the falsities wash away...
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article621189.ece
Bush 'planted fake news stories on American TV'
Federal authorities are actively investigating dozens of American television
stations for broadcasting items produced by the Bush administration and major corporations, and passing them off as normal news. Some of the fake news segments talked up success in the war in Iraq, or promoted the companies' products.
Investigators from the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) are seeking information about stations across the country after a report produced by a campaign group detailed the extraordinary extent of the use of such items.
The report, by the non-profit group Centre for Media and Democracy, found that over a 10-month period at least 77 television stations were making use of the faux news broadcasts, known as Video News Releases (VNRs). Not one told viewers who had produced the items.
Regarding:
"Bush 'planted fake news stories on American TV'"
Despite the misleading headline, nobody ever claimed that these stories were false. Just that they were produced by agencies who had a vested interest in pushing a particular point of view and were therefore not unbiased.
Of course that describes most of what passes for journalism these days doesn't it?
"The fact that CBS aired questionable documents doesn't mean that (1) Bush completed his service and (2) didn't receive special treatment because of his father's political connections."
Rather made the accusation. The burden of proof was on him. He failed to provide that proof, and actually had the gall to demand that his detractors prove a negative. In other words, he's a deranged partisan whose ego won't let him recognize his own failure. No wonder you admire him so much.
"Why do the examples have to be 'career ending'? That excludes Neil Cavuto who had the audacity to posit the notion that civil war in Iraq could be 'a good thing'."
He was expressing an opinion.
"It excludes Ann Coulter who ruthlessly mocked 9/11 widows because they held differing political opinions from Coulter's own."
She was expressing an opinion. A disgusting opinion, but an opinion nonetheless.
"It excludes O'Reilly who tried to push the argument that a child who was kidnapped and sodomized might have simply CHOSEN to stay with his rapist, pedophile kidnapper so he wouldn't have to go to school."
He was expressing a completely retarded opinion.
"It excludes Geraldo who compromised the security of the unit he was embedded with."
He's Geraldo. He's a moron.
How do any of these fall under the category of "lies"? Opinions are lies just because you disagree with them? You really need to work on your vocabulary words.
"Ed Darrell said..."
" 1. The frequent claim that "mainstream media" refuse to print the true story"
We are talking about mainstream media here, not blogs.
" 2. WorldNet Daily ran a fantastic story that a woman in Maine had been told it would cost more than $2,000 to clean up her daughter's room after she broke a compact fluorescent light bulb."
Interesting. Since I've never heard of it and sounds completely trivial, fine I'll give you this one on faith.
" 3. There are hundreds of stories out there noting that 500 million people have died of malaria"
Perhaps you are confused by the fact that there are 350-500 million cases of malaria, not malaria deaths http://www.cdc.gov/malaria/facts.htm. Please point out any MSM articles that are similarly confused.
" 4. Al Gore alone stopped the defunding of ARPANET, the computer network that led to the current internet. When he noted he had done that, conservatives twisted his words into 'I invented the internet.'"
Jay Leno stands guilty as charged. A lot of jokes are told about politicians. They are not always fair, but people seldom lose their jobs over them.
By the way, the quote was "I took the initiative in creating the internet." Which is close enough in my book.
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp
" 5. ... Conservative outlets take this little open door and run with it, claiming that global warming is a myth"
Interesting statement. I have heard and read some commentators say this. I usually assume that they really mean it is a myth that "humans are the primary cause of global warming" which is what most people understand the term "Global Warming" to mean. However, I have not seen an straight news articles out of MSM that dispute that the earth is getting warmer. Heck, Bush came out and said that in 2001.
" 6. I love the line that "liberals and the ACLU have banned prayer in schools.""
Sorry, "banned leading others in prayer in school", which is what most people understand the phrase "prayer in school" to mean. Did you really think that people claim that you can't think your prayers in school? Or that you can't quietly say a prayer to yourself anytime you want? Of course you can. But can a coach lead his team in prayer? No. That is what they mean by banned prayer in schools.
You're just being obtuse and pretending that the words don't mean what everybody accepts them to mean.
" How many examples do you want? "
One good one would help your cause. As it is, somebody published an exaggeration about a light bulb. That's not exactly the same as forging memos about the president or just making up stories on the spot for the New York Times.
Engram said:
My further point was that the careers of prominent media figures -- all of them liberal -- have gone down in flames because of this odd tendency to fabricate (not just for making honest errors).
Engram, no one disputes that publishing something that is a) wrong and b) detrimental to Bush can wreck a career.
Several examples have been published upthread of people who said things that were a) wrong and b) helpful to Bush. But you're right, this didn't end any careers-- it had a neutral, or even positive effect on them.
I don't think the difference is in intent. I think the anti-Bush ones were generally honest mistakes (certainly Dan Rather has made several pro-Bush mistake for every anti-Bush mistake).
It may be because Bushies don't care about accuracy (witness the complete refusal of any Bushie on this thread to engage ed darrel, or even visit Media Matters).
Or it may be because the media is quite literally owned/payed by a bunch of Bush allies.
But one way or another, whether a mistake ends your career depends mostly on whether it benefits Bush.
"The fact that CBS aired questionable documents doesn't mean that (1) Bush completed his service and (2) didn't receive special treatment because of his father's political connections."
Bush went to TANG as an officer. He learned to fly fighter jets. There wasn't a line out the door to enlist as potential jet pilots, because it's very hard to do and most people don't want to. Therefore no strings pulled to get him in.
The TANG wouldn't take someone unqualified because they are not going to send a multimillion dollar jet into the air with some Senator's son at the helm unless that Senator's son knows what he is doing. Therefore Bush got in under his own merits. Also there is no evidence he didn't complete his service.
The person alleging that Bush Sr sought his help to get Bush Jr into the TANG is Ben Barnes, a longtime Dem operative who gave $$ to the TX Democratic Party.
Rather and Mapes spent 5 years looking for dirt on Bush's TANG service and found NOTHING, so they had to make up shit.
There is no there there. Let it go.
Reoconnot says
I see people continue to spout the lie that Bush did not complete his full six years in the National Guard.
It is true that in the last two years he fulfilled the minimum requirements of 50 flight hours. However, in the first two years he had 400 flight hours.
More facts are availble here.
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/history/q0185.shtml
...it's great to see you're getting some notice at last, engram (I must've glossed right over the instapundit link)! It's been a shame that such a consistently fine blog only gets one or two comments.
And I'm also happy to see that on your first major response in recent months, none of the posters has really lifted up anything substantive to contradict what you've said. I only wish that you had had an insta launch for one of your other posts, for example on AQs presence and influence within Iraq. Now THAT discussion would have been interesting. This one is sort of a slam-dunk kind of thing. Unless you're like one of those truly cavelike creatures like annon, who believes that "most of the American press is basically spouting Republican talking points."
I mean really, I can see getting upset if somebody in the 'press' publishes something critical of your candidate (say if you're not happy that Newsweek is a tad more favorable to Obama than Clinton), but it's hardly evidence that the American press is spouting Republican talking points. That as delusional as spamming Ron Paul votes in online voting contests and then claiming that Ron Paul is the most popular candidate by far based on the voting results.
Great points. I never thought of it that way.
About Ed Darrell's point 2, the light bulb story: This first appeared in the Ellsworth, Maine, American, on April 12: Fluorescent Bulb Break Creates Costly Hassle. World Net Daily picked it up on April 16 with Consumers in dark over risks of new light bulbs. It looks to me like the woman whose whose CFL broke had read too many environmental panic stories about mercury contamination; her anxiety about getting the contamination cleaned up properly led to her getting involved with this Clean Harbors Environmental Services, a much bigger outfit than she needed for the job: "Clean Harbors is North America's leading provider of environmental and hazardous waste management services. With an unmatched infrastructure of 49 waste management facilities, including nine landfills, six incineration locations and six wastewater treatment centers, the Company provides essential services to over 45,000 customers, including more than 325 Fortune 500 companies, thousands of smaller private entities and numerous federal, state and local governmental agencies." Being an industrial-sized company, they gave her an industrial-sized solution.
Interesting post, Engram.
The closest examples I can think of to what you are talking about is claims by Fox News and the WSJ editorial page that are skeptical of Global Warming. This is different from what you are talking about, because the fabrications are about likely future events, not known past ones.
and on both sides the politicos (politicians, journalists, professors, etc.) laugh and laugh and laugh, because, rather than focusing on the fact that they are all arrogant, corrupt, power-hungry elitists, we bicker with each other about how pure and virtuous our side is and how deceitful and villainous the other is, leaving them free to continue on amassing power, raking in cash, and chipping away at societal morality and liberty.
-David
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