November 01, 2007

George Bush's Troop Surge is a Spectacular Success

In the past, the word "spectacular" has often been associated with mass-casualty attacks directed at innocent civilians by al Qaeda suicide bombers in their single-minded effort to incite civil war in Iraq. Here is an example from way back in 2005:

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) — A suicide car bomber killed 22 people in northern Iraq on Tuesday after insurgents lured police to the scene by shooting an officer, officials said. A mortar shell fired at a U.S. ceremony sent the U.S. ambassador and the top American commander scurrying for cover.

The suicide bomber struck on a busy commercial street in Kirkuk, a mixed Arab, Kurdish and Turkoman city in an oil-producing region 180 miles north of Baghdad. About half the dead were police who rushed to the scene after gunmen killed a fellow officer.

In addition to the 22 dead, another 23 people were wounded, according to police Brig. Gen. Sarhad Qader.

The attack was the latest in a wave of spectacular suicide operations which have killed more than 160 civilians since Friday, most of them Shiites.

Back then, I did not realize that these attacks were carried out by foreign suicide bombers sent to Iraq by al Qaeda in order to provoke a civil war. Their plan, as I later came to realize, was to enrage the Shiite militias enough that they would start killing Sunnis on a large scale. This contrasts with what standard reporters in the mainstream media strongly believed to be true, which is that these suicide bombers were Sunni "insurgents" participating in a civil war to defeat the Shiites. In fact, they were al Qaeda terrorists (not insurgents) trying to ignite (not win) a civil war.

After many suicide bombing attacks like this in 2005, al Qaeda bombed the revered Golden Mosque in Samarra in February of 2006. On that day (that very day), the Shiite militias entered the battle (just as al Qaeda hoped they would), and all hell broke loose. In the ensuing months, Americans became profoundly demoralized at the sight of the violence (just as al Qaeda knew they would), and the unthinkable seemed to be unfolding before my very eyes. Specifically, on the battlefield of Iraq, it seemed that al Qaeda was about to achieve a pivotal victory of historic proportions over the Unites States of America. Their apparent victory was made all the more frustrating to me by the fact that all leading Democrats refused to acknowledge any role played by al Qaeda (they preposterously claimed that al Qaeda was active in Afghanistan, where they were doing next to nothing) and instead dishonestly portrayed Iraq as having fallen into a predictable state of civil war. That happened, they thought, because George Bush foolishly removed the strongman who had previously held it all in check. Most Americans came to accept this superficially plausible but completely inaccurate analysis, and, as a result, we were on the verge of surrendering to al Qaeda without even realizing it. That's how good al Qaeda is, and I, myself, have learned a great lesson from what almost happened in 2006: never underestimate al Qaeda.

But I'm not the only one who has learned a great lesson. In 2007, I suspect that al Qaeda learned to never underestimate George Bush (or to overestimate the strength of Democrats, who almost unwittingly secured al Qaeda's victory in Iraq). In the darkest hour, when most Americans and all Democrats were clamoring for a U.S. withdrawal from Iraq, George Bush ordered a troop surge. I was a very strong supporter of the original invasion of Iraq, but I had some reservations about the wisdom of this course of action (though I supported the surge as well). I had doubts that it would work because I thought al Qaeda's suicide bombers would just start killing civilians in places where our troops did not go and that, as a result, Americans would become further demoralized while remaining completely ignorant of the fact that they were prepared to accept defeat at the hands of the very terrorist organization that attacked us on 9/11. It seemed pretty hopeless, but I was wrong, and so were you. What I didn't realize at the time was that the troop surge was capitalizing on a remarkable trend in Iraq: the Sunni insurgents were finally beginning to turn against al Qaeda. If you are a Democrat, this makes no sense to you because, to you, al Qaeda in Iraq is neocon myth. But our efforts against that "myth" have resulted in a mind-boggling reduction is civilian and military casualties over the last 2 months.

Here is my monthly tally of civilian casualties in Iraq based on the data at Iraq Coalition Casualty Count (with necessary corrections described here):


As you can see, a dramatic drop in casualties occurred in September, and they dropped even further in the just-completed month of October. The black bar shows when al Qaeda finally succeeded in igniting the civil war, and the blue bars show the months of troop surge (with the dark blue bars showing the months during which the surge has been operational). We needed the Sunni insurgents to join us in the fight against al Qaeda, but they obviously needed us to win that fight as well. Right now, we are clearly winning.

Month-to-month data can be noisy, so here is a similar chart with each bar now representing the average of the last 3 months:


Do you detect a trend? It's the very trend that Hillary Clinton sarcastically denied mere weeks ago when she all but accused General Petraeus of being a liar. If we had the media we want (instead of the media we have), a reporter would now ask her if it still requires a "willing suspension of disbelief" to accept that civilian casualties have been dramatically reduced in Iraq. I'd like to hear her answer (and her apology to General Petraeus). In fact, here is a question I recommend for the next Democratic debate: "Senator Clinton, in light of recent casualty figures from Iraq, will you now apologize to General Petraeus for insinuating that he was misleading the nation when he testified that the troop surge was having a dramatic effect on violence in Iraq?" She wouldn't apologize, of course (instead, she'd just say that the future is bleak due to the lack of political reforms), but I'd like to hear the question asked anyway.

Even more dramatic is the recent reduction in U.S. military casualties:


Had we started to withdraw our troops during the height of violence in Iraq (i.e., had we adopted the plan favored by the Democrats), my guess is that we'd be facing higher military casualties right now. But the steady pacification of Iraq is, for the moment anyway, reducing casualties across the board (including military casualties).

Are Democrats happy about this success? It seems like a legitimate question in light of this poll (question 19 in this pdf file) from back in January:


Amazingly, half of the Democrats polled either did not want (or were not sure they wanted) the troop surge to succeed. Now that it is clearly succeeding, it seems reasonable to infer that half of the Democrats are unhappy about (a) America's apparent victory over al Qaeda and (b) the thousands of innocent Iraqi lives that have been saved. Well, maybe someone should ask them just to be sure. Perhaps they have come to their senses and are actually happy about this turn of events.

At the beginning of the surge, George Bush said the most important objective was to reduce casualties in Baghdad even if violence spread to other areas. Here is my tabulation of civilian casualties in Iraq's capital:


And here is a tabulation of execution-style killing in Baghdad (these almost certainly reflect killings of Sunnis by rogue Shiite militias):


Same trend. To accept the claim that things have not dramatically improved in Iraq requires a willing suspension of disbelief.

Although Shiite militias are killing fewer Sunnis in Baghdad, that's not the main reason why casualties are down over the last few months. What's missing lately are attacks like this:

Around 150, Death Toll in Iraq Attack Among War’s Worst

BAGHDAD, July 8 — The death toll from a suicide truck bombing in a remote village in northern Iraq rose to around 150 on Sunday, making it one of the deadliest single bombings, if not the deadliest, since the 2003 invasion.

And this:

Car Bomb Kills at Least 87 at Shiite Mosque in Baghdad

Wednesday, June 20, 2007

BAGHDAD — A truck bomber attacked a revered Shiite shrine in the heart of Baghdad on Tuesday, killing at least 87 people and wounding more than 200 in a resumption of Iraq's relentless sectarian slaughter.
...
Lt. Col. Scott Bleichwehl, a military spokesman in Baghdad, said the truck was loaded with propane tanks and that a suicide driver detonated his bomb when the vehicle became stuck trying to drive over a curb.

And this:

Suspected Qaeda bombs kill nearly 200 in Baghdad
Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:42 PM EDT

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Suspected al Qaeda militants killed nearly 200 people in a wave of car bombings in Baghdad on Wednesday, including one that was the single deadliest attack in the Iraqi capital since the 2003 U.S.-led invasion.

In September, al Qaeda's suicide bombers killed only 75 civilians. In October, it was 75 again. In August, the number was closer to 600, and it was high (though not quite that high) in the months before that as well. But the number of civilians killed by suicide bombers has simply plummeted, and that means that, for the moment anyway, al Qaeda is losing to the United States of America. There is a random element to the success of any suicide bombing attack, and these deranged Islamic extremists are still self-denoting on an almost daily basis in Iraq. As such, there will be more "spectacular" successes in the days and months ahead (i.e., an occasional suicide bomber will get lucky), and an excited media will undoubtedly use any such such success to knowingly declare that George Bush's troop surge is a failure. But the point is that the frequency of large-scale suicide attacks has come way down. What al Qaeda used to achieve in a single day's work has not been achieved over the last 2 months. And that's why casualties have been so dramatically reduced of late.

Slaughtering Muslims to incite civil war as a means of defeating U.S. forces in Iraq was a big gamble for al Qaeda. Recent international polls show that this once revered terrorist organization has lost its standing throughout the Muslim world because of the strategy it adopted in Iraq, but it all would have been worth it to achieve a glorious victory over America. Except that now, thanks to George Bush's troop surge, that victory appears to be slipping away. Al Qaeda sacrificed its reputation among Muslims worldwide, and then they lost to America in Iraq anyway. If they don't make a strong comeback, they will suffer for many years to come. Never forget that National Intelligence Estimate that Democrats excitedly leaked because it said that our invasion of Iraq was inspiring foreign jihadists to take up the fight there. That NIE also said this:

Should jihadists leaving Iraq perceive themselves, and be perceived, to have failed, we judge fewer fighters will be inspired to carry on the fight.

Indeed. George Bush's troop surge is creating the impression that the jihadists have failed in Iraq. Not bad for the "worst president ever."

45 comments:

Chad said...

Good Post.

Like you I am very excited by the success of the past couple months. I just hope we can keep it going. If casualties drop again next month then I think we can really claim to have something rolling along.

Like many I would like to see the Iraqi government further along in reconciliation talks, but even the local news on that front is better than was expected by many and has the potential for still more improvement.

Personally I think the two biggest mistakes we made in thi war were

1. Not following the Garner plan for a rapid turnover of authority.

2. Allowing the new constitution to pass without something resembling the House / Senate structure in the US constitution.

If there was the guaranteed representation of different regions (or even tribes if that was the way they wanted to go) I think reconciliation would be much easier.

Engram said...

Chad,

You could be right, and we'll never know for sure, but I don't see it that way. The Sunnis were in no mood to compromise about anything after Saddam was overthrown. Reconciliation was not of interest to them at all. Expelling the Americans and regaining control of Iraq was their only idea, and, as I see it, they would have allied with al Qaeda to accomplish that goal no matter what we had done early on. The Sunnis had to discover for themselves what a bad idea that was, and they did. Now, they might be willing to reconcile.

Chad said...

I agree that the majority of Sunnis were not ready for reconciliation at the time the constitution was approved. All I'm saying is that the process would be smoother now if we had insisted on such a setup. Like you say though, now we will never know.

Boghie said...

Chad,

The parliamentary system works well for most of the democracies in the world.

Regardless, I agree with you. I believe that the large number of parties and the constant fluctuation of allegiance leads to too much instability. However, that is a personal – and perhaps American – preference. We did not force Japan or Germany into our particular democratic system. In fact. Just for interest, check out Japan’s odd – to an American – structure: Japan’s Government.

As far as the United States dictating a specific form of republic structure or a specific mix of power or whatever, it is important to remember that the Iraqis had to make that decision – without us bigfooting them. Their republic is their republic. It has to be viewed as their republic in twenty years, one hundred years, two hundred years, and ever onward.

And, their neighbors must view the Iraqi government as sovereign.

I know that folks like Mouse will argue this point, but as we draw down our military footprint the sovereignty of Iraq will become more and more demonstrable. Then Mouse will argue that having any troops or bases in Iraq means we own them. Maybe Mouse will dive eight years earlier in history from Mossedegh and prove Germany and France and Italy and Japan are American Toadies!!! Oh, well…

Chad said...

Boghie,

You make good points, but it is an undeniable fact that the CPA had to approve the constitution. I will digg up the source if you need it.

I am not saying the American system would work best for everyone just that one particular aspect of it would be an asset in this case.

Jon said...

"1. Not following the Garner plan for a rapid turnover of authority."

Actually, I think we made the opposite mistake- the turnover happened much too quickly. Germany and Japan remained under US occupational authority for 7 years after WWII, and unlike Iraq those were homogeneous, developed societies much better suited to make the transition to a democratic system. Ideally, I think Iraq should have remained under US administration, for at least 5 years. I think part of the reason that didn't happen, is that we didn't go in with nearly enough troops to control the entire country, so we needed Sistani's co-operation to keep the Shia in line, and Sistani insisted on a relatively rapid turnover.

Jon said...

"If casualties drop again next month then I think we can really claim to have something rolling along."

These numbers are very encouraging- Petraeus' testimony has been completely vindicated, and Hillary rightfully looks very foolish for having disputed it.

However, I think we'll probably now see the US casualty level bounce around between 30-50 for a while: With 170,000 troops in country, and thousands of "militants" still planting IED's, it's hard to believe hostile deaths can fall much lower than one a day. Even if they fell to one every 2 days, including accidents (at the current accident rate) that would still be 20-40 deaths per month. So, the per month numbers are running out of room to improve.

My guess is we'll also see Iraqi casualties plateau at around the Sept-Oct levels for a while, maybe even rise a bit since it's a been a long time since AQI has gotten lucky with a single "spectacular" attack.

lawrence Franko said...

As a firm supporter of what we are trying to accomplish in Iraq -- based on years of living and working in the Middle East and North Africa-- I am delighted by the progress you report. But even were no progress to report, your analyses are invaluable. I am a huge fan of your blog. You present factual, quantitative information in understandable, graphical terms. This is what the Economist used to do, but no longer does.

I do have one great frustration: I have not figured out how to copy and send your posts (especially the graphs) to others. Is there some way of doing this of which I am not aware? Is it a problem due to the fact that I am trying to send from an iMac? Can you help? Your analyses really, really deserve a wider audience.

Lawrence Franko
lawrence.franko@umb.edu

Nate said...

It's a misleading question, Engram, the one about whether one wants Bush's current plan to succeed.

For example, one could view No Child Left Behind as an "educational surge" of sorts, with increased funding and standards for public school nationwide. Of couse, nobody wants the plan to fail and is rooting for our schools to fail. But if you ask many conservatives, they say that any NCLB successes will be short-lived and in fact mask the bigger issues inhibiting public schools from reforming. In this sense, they see signs of success as preventing the larger structural change the public schools really need. (Competition via vouchers and charter schools, etc.)

I don't agree with these conservatives about this critique. But I understand it. And likewise, I think you ought to acknoedge that while all of us are glad less people are dying in Iraq, that doesn't change the fact that many of us feel that these successes are only short-term and that Bush's strategy doesn't address long-term problems in Iraq and the Middle East. Or I should say Bush's complete absence of a strategy, unless you count "occupying Iraq for the next ten years and crossing our fingers" a strategy.

Engram said...

Nate,

I don't understand what you are saying. It would be perfectly reasonable for an opponent of the surge to say "I hope it succeeds, but I don't think it will." The poll asked about these separately. Question 19 in the poll asked if the respondent personally wanted the troop surge to succeed. Question 20 asked if they thought it would succeed. 49% of Democrats did not personally want (or were not sure they wanted) the troop surge to succeed. An even higher number said it was unlikely to succeed.

You are talking about their answer to Question 20. My point has to do with their answer to Question 19. And their answer to that question revealed that only half of the Democrats could bring themselves to say that they wanted the surge to succeed. That's bad.

Anonymous said...

I find comments condemning Bush's "lack of long term strategy" in the Middle East quite frustrating. If Iraq somehow succeeeds, will you still say "Bush lacked a long term strategy?" A smattering of "long term strategies" have been attempted for decades in the MidEast and none prevented Beirut or Cole or 9/11 from happening- are those the long term strategies you prefer?

History is a story of responses to unintended, often unforeseeable consequences. Read any war history and you'll find that military commanders that are celebrated in history's hindsight made many mistakes that cost many lives. Wars require tactics adjustments. You always hope those adjustments happen as soon as possible, but sometimes they dont. And in wars, that costs lives. To say we wish we had more troops earlier, or we started the surge earlier, or followed this general's advice, or whatever, is entirely fair- it is the same as saying "I wish fewer people died" but then to say "that means it was a failed strategy" is to suggest that the future is knowable, and it is to confuse strategy with tactics.

Those that criticize lack of strategy need to 1) show their credentials for war planning strategy, 2) explain how they already know that Iraq will unquestionably fail (thus knowing it is a failed, or absent strategy), and 3) explain why they havent shared their cure-all long term strategy about the Middle East with anyone- gosh if we had known you had the easy answer to peace in the middle east, we could have avoided all this trouble in Iraq!!! Since you kept it a secret when you could have prevented all this, can't I blame YOU for the deaths of our soldiers in Iraq?

-cmd

Nate said...

My point, Engram, is that some of us disagree with the whole metric of success by which the surge is being judged. It's the bait and switch definition of the surge, in which you are a major player (at least in the conservative blogosphere), that we object to. The surge was supposed to provide space for the goverment to fuction, since only the Iraqi government can effect long-term success. Now you've changed the success metric to a body count. Every counter-terrorism manual, even the official one of the US army, doesn't buy this as a way of defeating a counter-insurgency. And even the success of the surge by your new metric has nothing to do with the surge and everything to do with a decision made my Sunni sheiks before the surge even took place.

I would not object to the surge succeeding if the criteria for success included a realistic partition of Iraq into some kind of triple entity that allowed for long-term stability under a triple-entity (Sunni, Shite, Kurd), loosely united Iraq. But the whole notion that a reduction in violence and deaths will contribute to a more cohesive Iraq in the long-run is off-base to me. And if the Bush administration succeeds in conning people into thinking the surge will contribute to a better chance for longer-term stability in Iraq, well yes, I am against that kind of con game. I am against the winning battles that will lead us to losing the war.

It's like a football game where we are down by twenty-five points in the fourth quarter, and you are advocating a strategy of three-yard runs and short passes. Your strategy, even successful in the short-term, does nothing to help us win the game. And if its success leads us to stick with this stupid strategy, then success can be bad.

One other thing: do you really think we liberals are so immoral that we would actively hope our troops fail in Iraq? If you think that, I really feel sorry for you. What a cynical outlook that is. For all your absurdity, I'll always extend you the benefit of the doubt that you want the best for the world deep in your heart.

Freedomnow said...

Nate,

Just honestly answer one question, in the last couple of years why have liberals almost exclusively propagandized against America when addressing the situation in Iraq?

We are fighting the most brutal and unscrupulous enemies in all of history.

And dont give me the song and dance that there hasnt been any successes to report. I can name many while Harry Reid declared the war lost and John Murtha said that our troops were worn out.

They have both been proven wrong just as Clinton was proven wrong when insinuating that General Petraeus was a liar.

As our hardworking troops battled in Iraq liberals have acted very badly and have only sought to undermine them. In many cases some of these liberals even voted for the war. It is a very shameful chapter in our history.

Unmatched in our politics since the America First Movement and the Peace Democrats of the Civil War.

Storminator said...

Nate,

If the surge is supposed to provide space for the Iraqi government to function, doesn't that space require that people in the country feel safe? Isn't basic safety required for the various factions to develop trust in one another? And if so, doesn't that make the body count metric valid?

A lower body count is a necessary but not sufficient condition for success. Had the level of violence remained high, there's no question no other progress would be made. If it can be kept low, other concerns can be addressed.

And sadly, I do think that many leftwingers would like to see our foreign policy fail. That the failure entails the death of many of those in uniform is merely an unfortunate side effect of seeing Bush defeated. I'm sorry that I can't give lefties the benefit of the doubt any more. I think that's one of the great tragedies of modern leftism.

PS

Red S Tater said...

I don't know if Engram believes in God or not... don't care. I just wanna' say ...Thank God for Engram... anyway.

Your work should be on the front page of every newspaper in the US.

Another brilliant piece found only at Back Talk.

Lovingly lifted and Reposted/Linked at Red Stater.

Chad said...

The problem with your definition of success Nate (partition) is that it may not be the Iraqis definition of success.

I can't speak for engram, but have also been following these numbers and using them as a gauge of success, in the context of providing security that will allow the government to function. Part of that functioning will eventually have to include reconciliation or the country can't survive. So far except for some Kurds the idea of partition is not popular with Iraqis. (At least that was the information I saw when the congress passed their resolution calling for partition last month)

Boghie said...

Nate,

You talk about a 'long term' improvement - but do not support a long term commitment.

They work together.

The previous ‘peace processes’ in the Middle East have largely been failures. Even the Israel/Egypt resolution seems to me the be the result to two of the more adult nations in the region tiring of killing one another – and the Militant Islamic movement killed one of the signatories of that long term process of improvement.

Additionally, neither you nor I nor Senator Biden controls the direction of the consensually governed Iraq. Your opinion on trisecting the country – and Biden’s – simply does not matter. My opinion on the proper formation of their government does not matter. Our opinion on whether Germany should be parliamentary or executive based does not matter. You and I will not make these choices – we are not an empire and they are not our client states. They chose to be a single state.

Once al-Qaeda runs to the caves of northern Pakistan to die in small numbers from live fire training exercise tragedies there will be time for ‘political reconciliation’. It was happening before the Samara Mosque bombing, and in my opinion it will happen after the thugs and turds are dealt with.

Now, let’s look at a positive Long Term Outlook:
Iraq becomes a modern consensually governed state
Iraq becomes a bulwark against terror
Iraq influences it’s neighbors
Peace in the Middle East
We win!!!!

Now, let’s look at a negative Long Term Outlook:
Iraq becomes a modern consensually governed state
Iraq builds its economic and military might
Iraq’s military becomes a regional power.
Iraq elects thugs and miscreants
Iraq attacks its neighbors
Iraq becomes the center of a Caliphate
We lose!!!

Both can happen. Likely the first. But, Hitler proved the second.

Anonymous said...

Just a comment about your analysis of the chronology.

You gravely mis-state the history of the events in Iraq in a way that cripples your subsequent conclusions of what happened. Fer-instance, the Shia militias were extremely violent against the US invasion forces well before the bombing of the Golden Mosque. In fact, the Shia problem was a huge issue as far back as 2004, with several operations against M. al Sadr costing us dozens or hundreds of troops (see the sieges of Najaf), not to mention the thousands of Sunnis who faced Shia wrath.

Secondly, each faction of the insurgency oftentimes has it's own MO and signature style. The spectacular suicide bombings imply some group in Iraq which gets a knucklehead from abroad, oftentimes sedates the sap on the way to the bombing and generally keeps their hands from getting dirty. That definitely includes 'al Qaeda' and who knows whatever other groups who employ such saps.

However, one of the biggest killer of troops has been IEDs of various flavors. The spin has been to tout the allegedly Iranian made EFPs, but 'dumb bombs' account for a huge percentage of these bombs and that has been the hallmark of the native Sunni groups. EFPs are linked to Shia groups, though the military and political mucky-mucks only like to say 'Iranian supplied'.

So the gist of this comment is only to point out that there are a slew of insurgent groups with multiple ideologies that get over-simplified into 'Al Qaeda in Iraq' or 'Iran' by the people with a vested interest in 'spinning' the surge. You had a post that referenced the 1920s brigade, but if you notice, that group had boasted of killing dozens or hundreds of US troops. The only thing that's changed is that instead offighting and demonizing them as terrorists, we've rehabilitated their image and stopped calling them terrorists.

Don't believe me; check the historical reporting on them and the multiple costly operations against M. al Sadr.

Heck, if all we had to do was negotiate with such insurgent groups, we could have pacified the country in 2003 by giving them whatever goodies they wanted (weapons, money, power) back then and called it a similar type of victory!

Freedomnow said...

Anon,

You make some good points, but consider that it is not spin to decry Iran's intelligence services from operating in Iraq to kill Americans. Those Iranian supplied IEDs are much more lethal than the more "dumb" bombs that you are talking about. What portion kills more doesnt really matter, its still a problem. There is ample evidence of Iranian involvement in the killing of Americans and Iranian Revolutionary Guards have been caught red-handed. Iran has even crossed the border on kidnapping missions just like their lackeys, Hezbollah, did in Northern Israel. All of this should not be ignored because a political faction would like to suppress these facts.

The Iraqi insurgency is not monolithic as you point out. The 1920s Brigade has always been a more moderate faction. That is why they have been brought into confrontation with Al Qaeda. Over the years they have had varying degrees of discomfort with attacking civilians. This is why the Concerned Citizens and Awakenings make so much sense (among other reasons).

However, a lot more factions than just Al Qaeda have embraced killing innocent civilians. Take the Shiite militias for example.

The fact is that Al Qaeda has made a power play for total control over the Sunni insurgency and this was the result.

Fuck those bastards, they reaped what they sowed.

We will have to work with insurgents that have American blood on their hands. Senseless hate is not the American way. We are infinitely more pragmatic than we are given credit for and I just love this country. It could be better, but then who is? We are human and deal with what we can humanly accomplish.

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I think that's one of the great tragedies of modern leftism.
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Not following the Garner plan for a rapid turnover of authority.

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My guess is we'll also see Iraqi casualties plateau at around the Sept-Oct levels for a while--------------------------------------but even the local news on that front is better than was expected by many and has the potential for still more improvement.

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You talk about a 'long term' improvement - but do not support a long term commitment.
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You talk about a 'long term' improvement - but do not support a long term commitment.
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You could be right, and we'll never know for sure, but I don't see it that way.
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