
The dark purple bars show the months during which the troop surge has been underway. As you can plainly see, civilian casualties casualties are now about 1000 per month lower than they were when Bush ordered the surge. These statistics are incomplete, and when the more complete statistics compiled by Iraq Body Count come out in a month or so, they will show the exact same trend (as is always the case), but all of the numbers will be essentially doubled. That is, at the peak of violence (which is when the Democrats wanted to rapidly withdraw our troops, whereas Bush ordered the surge), about 3000 civilians were dying each month. Now, about 1000 are dying each month. Thus, Iraq is still a very violent place, but the last 6 months have seen about 12,000 fewer dead civilians than would have occurred if Barack Obama had prevailed on the troop surge. I know, I know, in response to this observation, you want to change the subject and talk about how many civilian lives would have been saved had Barack Obama been president and allowed the dictator with the blood of more than 1 million people on his hands to remain in power indefinitely. It's hard to know how many would have died had we followed that path, and any estimate largely hinges on what you believe would have happened to the no-fly zones that were protecting the Shiites and Kurds. After all, we didn't have the no-fly-zone policy in effect for no reason whatsoever. We had it in effect because, without it, those people would have been slaughtered (as they had been before) by Saddam Hussein's forces. One problem that few people who opposed the war want to discuss is that the idea of keeping the no-fly zones in effect indefinitely was not tenable:
Monday, 19 February, 2001, 19:07 GMT
No-fly zones: The legal position
The two no-fly zones over Iraq were imposed by the US, Britain and France after the Gulf War, in what was described as a humanitarian effort to protect Shi'a Muslims in the south and Kurds in the north.
The justification was that an acute humanitarian crisis made it necessary to infringe the sovereignty of Iraq in this way.
However, unlike the military campaign to expel Iraqi forces from Kuwait, the no-fly zones were not authorised by the UN and they are not specifically sanctioned by any Security Council resolution.
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Critics add that whatever was justified in 1991 is not necessarily justified more than 10 years later, when the reasons for continuing the air patrols may have changed.
France no longer takes part in policing the no-fly zones, and the US and the UK are now alone in the Security Council in insisting that their frequent bombing of Iraqi targets is covered by international law.
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Other countries, notably China and Russia, have condemned the no-fly zones as a violation of Iraqi sovereignty, and they insist there is no backing for the policy under international law or UN resolutions.
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Since UN weapons inspectors withdrew from Iraq shortly before a three-day US-UK bombardment in late 1998 known as Operation Desert Fox, the two Western powers have kept up their attacks whenever Iraqi air defences have locked onto aircraft patrolling the no-fly zones.
Baghdad says more than 300 civilians have died in these attacks...
The US and British air forces have disputed some of these figures, and insist they never target civilian areas.
However, the raids have provided ammunition for Iraqi efforts to garner support for an end to its international isolation.
Now try to imagine keeping the no-fly zones in place after UN inspectors decided that Iraq had no WMDs (which is probably what they would have said had they been allowed to continue their cat-and-mouse game with Saddam in 2003). There is no possible way.
One can argue forever about what would have happened had Saddam been allowed to maintain his ruthless grip on Iraq, but there is not much argument about what would have happened had we withdrawn our troops at the height of violence in 2006. Something like this would have happened:

People are still fond of saying that our invasion of Iraq is somehow serving the purposes of al Qaeda. But remember what was said in the National Intelligence Estimate that Democrats gleefully leaked because it indicated that Iraq had become a cause celeb for jihadists. It said something else that is relevant to the question of whether or not troop withdrawal at the height of violence was a good idea:
The Iraq conflict has become the cause celebre for jihadists, breeding a deep resentment of US involvement in the Muslim world and cultivating supporters for the global jihadist movement.
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we judge that al-Qa’ida will continue to pose the greatest threat to the Homeland and US interests abroad by a single terrorist organization.
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Should jihadists leaving Iraq perceive themselves, and be perceived, to have failed, we judge fewer fighters will be inspired to carry on the fight.
Now, I ask you, which policy -- troop withdrawal at the height of violence or a troop surge now that is now crushing the life out of al Qaeda in Iraq -- is more likely to cause jihadists leaving Iraq to perceive themselves, and to be perceived, as having failed? This is not a hard question to answer. Obviously, the Clinton/Obama option would have inspired many more jihadists to carry on the fight, and the entire world would be harshly condemning the United States for abandoning Iraq after causing a "civil war." It is the McCain option that is hurting the jihadist cause by reducing civilian casualties and demonstrating that America no longer just abandons its allies when the going gets tough. And not only are civilian casualties way down (despite the fact that the jihadists are trying to keep it as high as possible), U.S. military casualties are way down as well:

The fight is not over yet, and victory over al Qaeda in Iraq is not yet assured. But Barack Obama was perfectly comfortable accepting certain defeat for America (and a perceived victory for the jihadists) when the going got rough. He's a nice guy, but that tells me all I really need to know about him. He might win, but he will not get my vote.
Of the 566 civilian casualties recorded at the ICC web site, it is important to understand that 291 (i.e., about 50%) are attributable to al Qaeda. Of these, 213 were caused by suicide bombers (always attributable to al Qaeda, and correctly so), 63 were unconvered from mass graves in areas that had previously been under the control of al Qaeda in Iraq, and 15 were killed by simultaneous car bombings (the kind of attack that is a hallmark of al Qaeda).
Of course, al Qaeda is not the only deadly force in Iraq. Another 97 were killed, execution-style, in Baghdad. I believe that these killings represent sectarian violence by rogue elements of the Mahdi Army (such that most of the victims are Sunni males). At the height of violence, more than 1000 Sunnis were being killed each month in Baghdad as the Mahdi Army sought to suppress al Qaeda's suicide bombing campaign against Shiite civilians. Unless al Qaeda is allowed to make a big comeback (which is what Barack Obama will allow them to do), it's hard to see the Mahdi Army getting back to that kind of killing spree. But some of that is still taking place.
Meanwhile, as America achieves a resounding victory over and Qaeda and works to stabilize Iraq with remarkable success, American attitudes are slowly changing:

Incredibly, 40% of Americans still believe that our efforts are not reducing civilian casualties despite the fact that, for 6 straight months, they are about 1/3 of what they once were. Slowly but surely, though, they are getting the picture. And then there is this:
Opinion on the critical question of whether the U.S. should keep troops in Iraq is now about evenly divided, the first time this has happened since late 2006. About half of those surveyed (49%) say they favor bringing troops home as soon as possible, but most of these (33%) favor gradual withdrawal over the next year or two, rather than immediate withdrawal. Similarly, just under half (47%) say that the U.S. should keep troops in Iraq until the situation has stabilized, with most of these (30%) saying that no timetable should be set.
The Sunnis, Shiites and Kurds are all united with 160,000 American forces fighting al Qaeda in Iraq. Even so, al Qaeda was responsible for 50% of the civilian casualties last month. Never underestimate al Qaeda, and don't even think about voting for the man who seriously believes that we should withdraw our forces from Iraq to go fight al Qaeda in Afghanistan.
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Another important point mentioned in this Reuters article is this:
Another factor in improved security has been the six-month ceasefire announced in August of the Mehdi Army militia of anti-U.S. Shi'ite cleric. That ceasefire was extended by another six months last month.
To me this is some proof that much of the violence in Iraq is not rooted in ancient hostilities. As you mentioned there may be some rogue elements of this army committing violence, but if there were real fear or anger by Moqtada al-Sadr and his supporters, there would be no continuation of the cease fire.
So, now youre counting absolute numbers? I thought you said those numbers were only useful for trends...
The ICCC numbers are mainly for tracking trends. They are the ones I usually use because they are immediately available at the end of every month. The IBC numbers, which take longer to process, give a more accurate indication of the absolute number of casualties. Their numbers are still underestimates (probably), but they seem close enough to the truth to take them seriously (i.e., to treat them as decent estimates of the actual number killed).
What if anything do you make of the slight uptick in casualties?
As always. Thank you, Engram. I have learned so much here.
For the first time in my life I'm a single issue voter--the war. To my amazement I'm voting for McCain. I've never been a fan.
But here's hoping the gains in Iraq are solidified by next January either way. Let's kill enough al Qaeda so that even a precipitous retreat next year won't let the country crumble.
Realistically, even Obama can't pull everyone out in days, weeks or even months. So, worst case scenario, there's still a lot of retribution in the next 12-14 months.
How bad does it suck to be AQI right now? I mean, even more than it usually sucks to be loony, bloodthirsty murderer living in a hell hole. So much worse to be all of those with the US Marines hunting you like a dog, all the while knowing your powerful God has forsaken you. Inshallah.
I saw a comment that Obama plans to pull out "six days" after taking office. Blank sheet that he is, has anyone heard anything more concrete about the specifics of his withdrawal promise?
Garth- this is from Obama's website - http://www.barackobama.com/issues/iraq/
Bringing Our Troops Home
Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months. Obama will make it clear that we will not build any permanent bases in Iraq. He will keep some troops in Iraq to protect our embassy and diplomats; if al Qaeda attempts to build a base within Iraq, he will keep troops in Iraq or elsewhere in the region to carry out targeted strikes on al Qaeda.
Press Iraq’s Leaders to Reconcile
The best way to press Iraq’s leaders to take responsibility for their future is to make it clear that we are leaving. As we remove our troops, Obama will engage representatives from all levels of Iraqi society – in and out of government – to seek a new accord on Iraq’s Constitution and governance. The United Nations will play a central role in this convention, which should not adjourn until a new national accord is reached addressing tough questions like federalism and oil revenue-sharing.
Regional Diplomacy
Obama will launch the most aggressive diplomatic effort in recent American history to reach a new compact on the stability of Iraq and the Middle East. This effort will include all of Iraq’s neighbors — including Iran and Syria. This compact will aim to secure Iraq’s borders; keep neighboring countries from meddling inside Iraq; isolate al Qaeda; support reconciliation among Iraq’s sectarian groups; and provide financial support for Iraq’s reconstruction.
Humanitarian Initiative
Obama believes that America has a moral and security responsibility to confront Iraq’s humanitarian crisis — two million Iraqis are refugees; two million more are displaced inside their own country. Obama will form an international working group to address this crisis. He will provide at least $2 billion to expand services to Iraqi refugees in neighboring countries, and ensure that Iraqis inside their own country can find a safe-haven.
CMD,
Thank you very much. I'm voting for McCain to press the present advantage. But Obama leaves himself the wiggle room you'd expect from a Harvard lawyer.
I worry what kind of a wartime CINC he'd be in those 16 mos. Petraeus and his fighters have surely penciled in a lot of attriting in that window--if that's all they can get. But BHO calls the shots. You got to give him this, he's no coward. Nobody who runs for president can be.
It makes me sick to think about it, but it's a dangerous job. Lead poisoning is an acute occupational hazard, especially when they stop screening the crowds. None of the articles I read ran down who made that call. I'd sure as hell like to know. It's hard to say what would be worse, if Obama ordered it or the Secret Service allowed it on their own. What's worse, a suicidal president or a treasonous security detail? Of course the possibility remains that the whole story was just BS.
I can't really agree with you here. The argument is we should judge GW by his performance on the problem at hand (Iraq deaths by al qaeda) not by how he dealt with the threat that emerged at 9/11/01. I point out the date since I dont mind reminding you that GW has had more than six years and a trillion dollars but still hasnt caught the man who created al qaeda. I think it only took 9 months to catch Saddam Hussein, who, by the way had nothing to do with 9/11 or al qaeda.
So you want us to deal with the here and now, a war the bush administration created out of thin air, and how GW is dealing with it. Yeah the surge is working. Too bad you missed the big picture, we had no business invading Iraq. Your idea that "lots of people would have died if Saddam stayed in power" is just plain silly. What does that have to do with American interests or national security? Lets suppose it mattered to US security (it did not, any more than thousands of other places dictators are killing off their civilians which we have not even mentioned invading) I mean how many people would have lived? Maybe the 700,000+ Iraqis who died in the war (this is the 2006 Lancet estimate, or 2.5% of the iraqi popilation). Surely, you can't be claiming more Iraqis are alive today because we invaded Iraq, caused hundreds of thousands of deaths, let al qaeda enter Iraq, and now we are successfully reducing this death rate by spending a billion dollars a day and devoting nearly all of our riflemen to the expedition?
I want to hear you say it: more people are alive, because we invaded Iraq. Any kind of more people, more Americans, more Iraqis, more anybody. And to boot, the country is better off with $1 trillion less and a war that would go on for an eternity if we let it.
Anyway, all that is moot, the course of the war is already predetermined anyway. We have no choice to stay in Iraq (regardless of what HR or BO say, this is nothing more than wishful thinking), until our military gets sick of it, we run out of money (ergo, the economy starts suffering more than it already is), or the public turns totally against it. My guess is that will take 2-4 more years, regardless of who is president. At that point, the Iraqi government may or may not be strong enough to withstand all the shit that its neighbors and AQ can throw at it.
I still don't see why I should change my opinion of GW being a bad president. He started a war with an enemy that didn't attack us. You keep dancing around this. I am not talking about what we should do now (we have no choice) I am talking about what should have happened.
As for McCain, it doesn't really matter if you vote for him or not. In case you haven't figured it out yet, the vote is between HR and BO. McCain has no chance of winning, he wouldn't even if Bush hadn't made that that impossible (maybe you forgot the outcome of the midterm elections). McCain is not conservative enough for conservative voters, and he is too conservative for Democrats and Independemts. He is also too old (older than Reagan). Did I mention he had a malignant melanoma in 2000? The strong leader thing is going to be a hard sell for a 72 year old cancer patient. Who are we kidding? Basically he should not have won the nomination but I guess if you run enough times you will eventually get the nomination. So basically his base is not even going to turn out (and Republicans cannot win on base alone). HR and BO will have no trouble turning out their base.
Lets look at the money alone. By the way Republicans have more money than Democrats in case you forgot.
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/index.asp
Total raised$:
B.O. 138M
H.R. 134M
J.M. 53M
Does that sound like the Republicans are jumping out of their bank accounts to support JM?
Dear anonymous,
Excellent choice for a nickname. I wouldn't want to take credit for your pants load of steaming comment either.
Better start practicing your "they stole the election" excuse. You're going to need it.
Anonymous-
I appreciate your realism that regardless of whether this war should have occurred, we are in Iraq now and can't abandon it. It's certainly possible that the "withdraw immediately/attack pakistan & afghanistan" positions are purely election year rhetoric. While it's nothing more than a personal hunch, I think Obama is a practical man who would NOT abandon our responsibilities in Iraq. Note that apart from Obama's "withdraw in 16 months" comment (which is admittedly the elephant in the room) you could argue that GW is already pursuing almost every detail of the Iraq policy Obama espouses on his website.
I suggest to you that this blog does not ask you to give GW credit for waging a perfect war on terror. If he were up for re-election, I, like you, would ask whether his style and policies are strategically best for us. I think reasonable people can disagree about that. It seems inarguable to me, though, that it would be foolish to abandon an Iraq strategy that has shown recent progress. I'm ashamed and saddened that there's debate about this.
It's accurate to say that the war has caused deaths that would otherwise not have occurred (though you should do a little research about the Lancet study's credibility). The problem is I can use that argument for any war. For example, many died in WWII that otherwise wouldnot have, However, we tend to consider American,European, Russian lives lost in WWII as worth the sacrifice given the evil it overcame. To me the death statistics Engram shows on this site are an attempt to give visibility to the evil we're battling. You must admit that the media spends more time discussing whether we should withdraw versus the evil nature of the enemy. One easily forgets the evil nature of these extremist animals when it's sterilized by the news, yet the evil nature of the enemy is the WHOLE POINT.
It will be a great day when we catch Osama bin Laden, but to me the other success measures of this war are more compelling and worthy of attention
-Libya abandoned WMD
-North Korea abandoning nuclear
-Iran no longer actively pursuing nuclear program
-Plummeting popularity of AlQeada among muslims
-Afghanistan a partner in WOT with transparent government
-we haven't been attacked since 9/11
For those who think the decision by Bush to invade Iraq was insane, please review the following quote:
"No one has done what Saddam Hussein has done, or is thinking of doing. He is producing weapons of mass destruction, and he is qualitatively and quantitatively different from other dictators."
This was from Madeleine Albright in 1998 during a townhall meeting justifying Clinton's Iraqi policy.
Source: CNN article
Anon @ 2:28
If you want to have an "argument" you kind of miss a few basics.
First, who exactly is it you "can't agree with"?
What exactly is it they said you disagree with?
When did they say it?
Focus. Focus. Focus!
And, just for kicks you could pick a name or some unique identifier if you want to have a real argument with anyone in particular. Do you really want to be the crazy guy at the corner shouting at the sky and gesticulating in the air?
IBC data aren't quite as favorable as the ICCC data.
IBC's December death count was 855. Their initial estimates for each month of 2007 can be found here. November = 986; October = 1150; September = 1220.
FYI, when you last used IBC numbers for a chart in October, the September estimate was around 700 to 750 -- so the initial estimates can increase substantially as the data emerges.
Their preliminary January number is 767; February was 947 through the 27th. In their "recent events" page, they report 28 additional deaths for February 28-29, bringing that month's preliminary total to 975.
That significantly increases the per day death rate from January (24.7) to February (33.6) -- up more than a third.
It's only a one month swing, but I'm not ready to pop any champagne corks.
Don't miss this one:
The Patton of Counterinsurgency
H/T to the Belmont Club
Does it make any sense to continue to debate if the Iraq war made sense?
I mean, who is going to change their minds one way or the other at this stage?
It seems to me that the opinions are pretty much set.
Gabriel,
Most people probably had their minds made up before they heard any arguments. There's a bumper sticker making it's way around California: "I'm already against the next war." I for one am usually open to discussion, but you have to clarify the question. Are you raising the academic question whether the war was justified from the outset? That is, was it a good idea at the time?
Or, are you asking what we should do now, in mid stream, since we are actually there? This latter question is of course the real question, and for that reason, it's the much harder question. When McCain challenges Obama on the propriety of leaving before we finish killing AQI Obama ducks back to the academic issue whether we should have gone in the first place. It's what slick politicians are trained to do, and Obama is good at it.
garth,
Most people appear to have made up their minds and even the so-called success of the surge seems to make no difference.
On the 'past vs present' debate there is a clear link between the two. Obama is, rightfully so, trying to bring to attention what he thinks is a a good indication of McCain's terrible judgment. If McCain disagrees, as I am sure he does, then he can defend himself by explaining that he thinks going to war was a good idea. Voters will decide in November.
There's no clear link except the one made by Obama himself. Let's review the bidding. McCain said "I have news for Senator Obama: al Qaeda is in Iraq. That's why they call it al Qaeda in Iraq." Obama replied: "I have news for John McCain. al Qaeda had no substantial presence in Iraq before George Bush and John McCain invaded."
Now do you see the artful dodge? I mean, he even throws in W just for that extra-demagogic non-sequitur. Notice too that he declines to return the favor of the honorific. He is nothing if not a polished politician, sticking to the script. He'll change that script in the general election and start being more polite, but during the primary he has to have blood dripping nfrom his teeth for the evil Rethuglicans.
Obama's critique is aimed at McCain's assumptions. McCain is saying that the US is obliged to make war in Iraq merely because AQI is there. (Side point: Given that Cheney once claimed that al Qaeda members are hiding in 50 countries, this is potentially a justification for war all over the globe.)
Obama is saying that it was precisely this kind of simplistic reasoning that caused the US to launch a war that has been counterproductive in the "war on terror." He's not arguing for abandoning the war on terror, he's arguing for a better prosecution. The NIE on terror from last summer, for example, says al Qaeda has established a base in Pakistan. Obama wants to shift the focus of the wider war.
Iraq had no WMD and no links to al Qaeda before the war. At the most basic level, this means that the US attacked and devoted enormous resources to the wrong threat.
The consequences of that act also prove that a mistake can have horrific consequences for broader US aims.
If contra Engram's assumption, US troop presence is actually attracting al Qaeda and fomenting suicide bombings, then Engram himself has made the argument for withdrawal. Now that the Sunni have been flipped (which is arguably responsible for the decline in violence in Iraq), who in Iraq will support AQI? The prospects of it establishing a base are virtually nil.
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