On March 19, Obama gave a speech that was supposed to put the issue to rest. Many on the left gushed over it, and Jonah Goldberg summarized some of their glowing reviews here:
Thank God for Barack Obama. For until his "More Perfect Union" speech last Tuesday, it seems it never occurred to anyone that America needed to talk about race. "Maybe this'll be the beginning of a conversation," Wall Street Journal columnist Peggy Noonan proclaimed on "Meet the Press." According to New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof, just the fact of Obama's address proves that a "national dialogue on race" is "essential." The Chicago Tribune reported that "many voters, black and white, say they were moved by Obama's speech ... which they see as a long-awaited invitation to begin an honest, calm national dialogue about race." Newspaper editorial boards agree. In the words of the San Diego Union-Tribune: "Prodding Americans to confront their racial differences is, by itself, an accomplishment of historical proportions."
However, even excluding reactions from the right, it wasn't a complete love fest. Here, for example, is ABC News weighing in:
Buried in Eloquence, Obama Contradictions About Pastor
In Speech, Obama Contradicted More Than a Year of Denials About His Knowledge of Rev. Wright's Sermons
Buried in his eloquent, highly praised speech on America's racial divide, Sen. Barack Obama contradicted more than a year of denials and spin from him and his staff about his knowledge of Rev. Jeremiah Wright's controversial sermons.
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Until yesterday, Obama said the only thing controversial he knew about Rev. Wright was his stand on issues relating to Africa, abortion and gay marriage.
"I don't think my church is actually particularly controversial," Obama said at a community meeting in Nelsonville, Ohio, earlier this month.
"He has said some things that are considered controversial because he's considered that part of his social gospel; so he was one of the leaders in calling for divestment from South Africa and some other issues like that," Obama said on March 2.
His initial reaction to the initial ABC News broadcast of Rev. Wright's sermons denouncing the U.S. was that he had never heard his pastor of 20 years make any comments that were anti-U.S. until the tape was played on air.
But yesterday, he told a different story.
"Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes," he said in his speech yesterday in Philadelphia.
No kidding. And Hillary Clinton is not going to let it rest:
Clinton: Wright 'would not have been my pastor'
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, in a wide-ranging interview today with Pittsburgh Tribune-Review reporters and editors, said she would have left her church if her pastor made the sort of inflammatory remarks Sen. Barack Obama's former pastor made.
"He would not have been my pastor," Clinton said. "You don't choose your family, but you choose what church you want to attend."
This, of course, is the key point that many on the right have taken issue with. The relevant part of Obama's speech was this:
And this helps explain, perhaps, my relationship with Reverend Wright. As imperfect as he may be, he has been like family to me. He strengthened my faith, officiated my wedding, and baptized my children...I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother - a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe..
Nice try, but he's not your family, and you can, indeed, choose to disown him (or freely choose to adopt him, which is basically what you did). Here is Ed Koch weighing in on this issue:
Senator Obama in his speech acknowledged that the rantings of his minister are "inexcusable," but stated, "I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community..."
Before we discuss his grandmother, let's examine the impact of Rev. Wright's statements on the Senator's two daughters. Nothing says it better than a song from the musical "South Pacific," to wit, "You have to be taught to hate and fear...You've got to be carefully taught." Few dispute that Rev. Wright's sermons are filled with hate.
Why didn't Senator Obama stand up in the church and denounce his hateful statements or, at the very least, argue privately with his minister? It was horrifying to see on a video now viewed across America the congregation rise from the pews to applaud their minister's rants.
I completely understand the cynical political calculation that prompted Obama to embrace the anti-American radical in the first place, but I am not sure I understand his attempt to make him a blood relative (which he need not have done, but it's too late now). All that did was to ensure that the issue will live right through November. Along the way, it will probably be bundled with his refusal to wear an American flag on his lapel for what will seem like silly reasons to all but the far left:
Obama Dropped Flag Pin in War Statement
Obama Stops Wearing Flag Pin, Says He'll Show Patriotism Through Ideas
"You know, the truth is that right after 9/11, I had a pin," Obama said. "Shortly after 9/11, particularly because as we're talking about the Iraq War, that became a substitute for I think true patriotism, which is speaking out on issues that are of importance to our national security, I decided I won't wear that pin on my chest.
"Instead," he said, "I'm going to try to tell the American people what I believe will make this country great, and hopefully that will be a testimony to my patriotism."
Well, he could wear that pin AND tell the American people what he believes will make this country great. Instead, having initially chosen to wear the pin (a free choice, presumably), he then conspicuously removed it to make some sort of statement. In the months to come, I suspect that his decision to do that will be juxtaposed with his willing 20-year association with an anti-American radical who is not, despite what Obama implies, a blood relative. And in his debates with John McCain, I can imagine this issue coming up (if, for example, McCain is proudly wearing that pin). It is not really an important issue to me -- not at all -- but I suspect that it is going to partly define Obama. And all of this fits with his willingness to accept an American defeat in Iraq. Many on the right are not prepared to accept defeat at the hands of al Qaeda in Iraq now that things are going so badly for them over there, as the Bush administration accurately points out:
The surge has done more than turn the situation in Iraq around -- it has opened the door to a major strategic victory in the broader war on terror. For the terrorists, Iraq was supposed to be the place where al Qaeda rallied Arab masses to drive America out. Instead, Iraq has become the place where Arabs joined with Americans to drive al Qaeda out. In Iraq, we are witnessing the first large-scale Arab uprising against Osama bin Laden, his grim ideology, and his murderous network. And the significance of this development cannot be overstated.
But Obama will have none of it. And the fact that he willingly associates with and takes spiritual guidance from an anti-American zealot while at the same time choosing to conspicuously remove a symbol of patriotism from his lapel (to make himself stand out from other politicians in that respect) will make people wonder if his far left views on Iraq match the far left views that others have expressed, such as the views once expressed by James Carroll in the Boston Globe:
For all of the anguish felt over the loss of American lives, can we acknowledge that there is something proper in the way that hubristic American power has been thwarted? Can we admit that the loss of honor will not come with how the war ends, because we lost our honor when we began it? This time, can we accept defeat?
If you are a fan of Barack Obama, you already know the answer: "Yes we can!" I don't actually believe that Obama himself would express views like this, but I do suspect that, being the far left liberal that he is, he finds such views to be less objectionable than most would (which is also why he was able to tolerate Jeremiah Wright for so long). Barack Obama is just about as liberal as a politican gets, and even the New York Times is finally beginning to puzzle over the question of how a man of the far left can be the transcendent uniter he claims to be:
Obama’s Test: Can a Liberal Be a Unifier?
WASHINGTON — At the core of Senator Barack Obama’s presidential campaign is a promise that he can transcend the starkly red-and-blue politics of the last 15 years, end the partisan and ideological wars and build a new governing majority.
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But this promise leads, inevitably, to a question: Can such a majority be built and led by Mr. Obama, whose voting record was, by one ranking, the most liberal in the Senate last year?
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Mr. Obama’s rise has been built in part on the idea that he represents a break from the established identities that have defined many of the nation’s divisions. To many, he embodies a promise to bridge black and white, old and young, rich and poor — and Democrats, Republicans and independents.
Even so, Mr. Obama does not come to the campaign with a reputation as one of the most accommodating bridge-builders in the Senate. And while he promises a very different politics from Mrs. Clinton, their voting records in the Senate last year were not strikingly different.
A recent analysis of key votes by The National Journal concluded that Mr. Obama had the Senate’s most liberal voting record in 2007; Mrs. Clinton ranked 16th. But of the 267 measures on which both senators voted, the National Journal analysis found that they differed on only 10. One of their major differences came on an amendment that called for the designation of the Revolutionary Guards in Iran as a terrorist organization; while Mrs. Clinton supported it, Mr. Obama missed the vote, but said he opposed it.
Congressional Quarterly said Mr. Obama voted with his party 97 percent of the time on party-line votes last year; Mrs. Clinton did so 98 percent of the time.
Well, it might come as a shock to Obama supporters, but he is just a liberal (though an impressive one), and the fact that he embraced a man like Jeremiah Wright for 20 years pretty much ensures that he does not have what it takes to bring everyone together.
What effect has all of this had on the polls? The results are somewhat inconsistent, but the Rasmussen tracking poll suggests that, among Democrats, there has been a slight shift in the direction of Hillary Clinton. Among the general electorate, there has been a larger shift away from both Democrats and toward John McCain. The Jeremiah Wright flap first began to appear on the radar screen on March 13 as best I can tell. Obama gave his speech on March 19, which seems have thrown gasoline instead of water on the fire. Charted below are the results of the Rasmussen daily tracking poll (here and here) since early March (with the red line marking the onset of the Jeremiah Wright story):

What was a clear lead for Obama on March 13 is now a small lead for Clinton. The matchups against Mccain show even clearer trends:


On the other hand, the daily tracking poll from Gallup shows all three of these comparisons to be statistical ties, with nothing much having changed over the last few weeks. The difference may be that Gallup polls registered voters, whereas Rasmussen polls likely voters. Likely voters are probably paying much closer attention to all of this than the larger group of registered voters.
A political eternity lies between now and November, and events from the recent past suggest that unpredictable twists and turns will be the norm.
43 comments:
The regulars know how much I appreciate Engram. But, it's time to start watching and analyzing the internecine struggle among the Shia themselves, between the Badr brigades and other radical militants on the one hand and Maliki and Sistani on the other. I'd love to hear his take on that end.
If we can quell the violence in the south then our troops and the Anbar tribes will inevitably suppress the foreign fighters to the point of diminishing returns and control their last few strongholds. But al Qaeda will never truly be the weak horse until our original goals in Iraq succeed. It is not enough to defeat the handfuls of lunatics and addicts al Qaeda can recruit in Saudia Arabia, Libya and other foreign areas. We have to bring stability to Iraq as a whole. It probably won't look like what we want it to look like, and it may take a long long time.
Iran is not going away soon but a mini-Cold War with Iran will work in our favor. It seems somewhat frivolous but the siren song of blue jeans, booze and rock and roll will be hard for young people to resist. Not to mention sex. Of course, that's just the sizzle, what people really want is the freedom to decide for themselves how they will live--without getting beaten up on the street in Iran for wearing the wrong haircut or not having a big enough headscarf.
It occurred to me long ago that if Iran ever swallowed up Iraq it would be a meal the mullahs couldn't digest. That outcome still seems reasonable. There is substantial pent up demand for freedom and secularization in Iran, and their contacts with westernized, secularized and quietist Shias in Iraq are just another corrosive influence on the mullahcracy. Revolutionary fervor can only burn at fever pitch so long, and Khomeini's religious revolution is no different.
The police ARE the badr brigades Garth. Realy, the fight was between the Badr corps and the Jaish Al mahdi. The SCIRI runs the interior ministry and hence security, and is closely allied with Al-Maliki. Shows how informed Engrams readers are.
I was especially put off by Obama's "typical white" person comment he made in reference to his Grandmother when trying to clarify (backtrack) his previous statements about her that implied she is a racist.
Then again, I guess I'm just a typical white person....
It has always completely baffled me how an extremely liberal politician could ever "unite" America. The right has never been convinced of the correctness of any typical liberal positions. I don't know whether Obama campaigned as a "uniter" out of ignorance or out of sheer arrogance that he could pull the wool over everybody's eyes. College kids who have never voted before, you could understand, but informed voters?????
It's not just Rev. Wright. There is also Michelle Obama.
Both are close to Obama; and both have anti-American tendencies.
Looks like a pattern to me.
I admit I need to be better informed. I guess that's kind of why I was asking for input on the situation in Basra. But now that eminent authority "Anonymous at 1:04 PM" has spoken. That settles it.
There is one thing, though. If my own ignorance shows that all of Engram's readers are uninformed, then doesn't that make "Anonymous at 1:04 PM" pretty stupid too? Perhaps the inference that he's reading this blog himself is unwarranted. Maybe his mom reads it to him.
It's interesting that many people, even some such as Engram, consider Obama's pastor and church to be something of a non-issue.
To me it's incontrovertible. No one seriously interested in the presidency of the United States gets to sit passively for twenty years in a congregation that states its allegiance to the black community and to Africa, and has a pastor that screams "God damn America" and "U.S. of KKK.A" from the pulpit.
Much less a presidential candidate who makes that pastor a close personal friend, spiritual mentor, and a campaign consultant. And certainly not a candidate, gliding along on promises to unify America across its many divisions.
No, this one doesn't go away. There will be a lull, but most non-black voters are going to remember Rev. Wright every time they see or hear Obama talk about America or race.
Wright is retiring -- something that Obama has regularly mentioned. Otis Moss, Trinity United Church of Christ's replacement pastor and one of the so-called "new breed" of leader, was interviewed by NPR:
http://tinyurl.com/yujz56
Like Wright, Otis Moss is also a denizen of the fever swamp.
Bigoted race-hate mongers such as Wright and Moss are the sort of people that Obama has ~chosen~ to serve as the spiritual guides for his children.
This is an issue that will not go quietly away. Wright and Moss were made, packaged, and delivered with a red audio ribbon for talk radio.
The surge has done more than turn the situation in Iraq around -- it has opened the door to a major strategic victory in the broader war on terror.
Victory? Has anyone read the headlines from Iraq lately? The country is going up in flames and all you right-wingers can do is talk about successful the surge is. It's amazing how easily you divorce yourselves from reality.
The funny part is how well informed the readers are. Garth, for example, had NO IDEA of the very sectarian nature of the interiot ministry and police forces. He thought they were fighting against the Badr corps, when in reality there are reports coming out that the Badr corps is fighting WITH the police. How pathetic these people have become
The question I'd like to ask Engram is that in light of this week's development in Iraq does he still believe this:
I long ago argued that al Sadr is our effective ally in Iraq (not our enemy, as he was in 2004, when his rag tag militia took on American soldiers and were simply eradicated).
Or have recent events once again changed your narrative. Has Sadr become the enemy once again?
Assuming that Sadr IS the enemy, then the Badr corps which is the police has to be the US's "friend". In other words, an Iranian client is a US ally. This is too funny given Engram like to talk "tough" on Iran. But dont judge Engram, he isnt that well informed. He doesnt really know much beyond putting casualties from a database into a spreadsheet.
Assuming that Sadr IS the enemy, then the Badr corps which is the police has to be the US's "friend". In other words, an Iranian client is a US ally.
The phrase that comes to mind is FUBAR.
Iraq is such a confusing mess it's unclear who we should even be rooting for. On the one hand, it would be good if they could crush the Mahdi Army. But it would be equally as good if the Badr Brigades could we wiped out so we could purge the country of Iranian influence.
But then who would be left to wipe out the new Sunni militias who we need to wipe out al Qaeda since we couldn't do it?
Please Engram, do explain where we go from here.
larkin, asking the US to wipe out the Badr corps is asking the US to wipe out one of the few dwindling roots of support for continuing US occupation. To be fair, we have heavily armed Sunni militias independent of the govt., so Iraq is a huge success!!
Obama pastor Jeremiah Wright's angry and unhinged sermons are not a bogus issue. But I don't see how, in the real world where Democrats must choose between Obama and Clinton -- politicians of similar ideology, but quite different character and history -- Jeremiah Wright is an issue which should be dispositive for anyone with a sense of proportion.
Imagine, if you will, how the Wright issue could have been worse for Obama:
Imagine that, instead of merely making incendiary, and anti-American sermons, Wright went so far as to also build and set bombs, for the purpose of killing government employees. And went to prison for these crimes.
Further imagine that: instead of merely listening to Wright's speeches and closely associating himself with Wright, without actually adopting Wright's harsh language or beliefs; Obama had abused the power of his public office to pardon Wright, freeing him from prison in contradiction to normal procedures under which Wright would never be eligible for pardon, such as Wright's public lack of repentance. And imagine that this pardon was an obvious way for Obama to curry favor with Wright's followers, to get their votes.
Next imagine that there are 14 Wrights, all of them such unrepentant terrorists, and all of them pardoned by Obama, to get more votes in Chicago.
Finally, make the anti-American terrorists Puerto Rican FALN members instead of black Chicago residents, and make Obama the Clintons, and this becomes another issue altogether: this is the true reality of the depth of disgrace to which that couple sunk the Presidency in their pursuit of Hillary's continued power.
Anonymous at 3:02 pm,
Normally I don't respond to supercilious, arrogant, hit-and-run comments from people who are too insecure to even settle on a pen name. But in your case, I have to give credit where it's due: You've demonstrably shown how much smarter you are than me because I confused the Iranian Badrist stooges with the Iranian Sadrist stooges. So do please continue to educate. If you ever string together more than three sentences I bet I'll really learn something.
To be fair you haven't quite proven you're smarter than Engram and all his other readers yet. You've only said that about six or seven times. Technically, you have to repeat it nine times before it is conclusively established. It would help too if you keep sprinkling in comments like "LOL" and "ahahahahahahahah!" And keep throwing in lots of exclamation points. Nothing is more convincing, and this incisive commentary shows just how smart you really are.
Garth, dont get upset. Its not your fault your not well informed. But it is tremendously telling that you have so little knowledge on the sectarian dimension of Iraqi politics. You actually thought that Al-Maliki was going after all Shiite militias? Do you have any idea of the history of Al-Maliki, the Dawa party, or the SCIRI? How can you comment on Iraq without knowing anything about the players? Isnt it kind of embarassing when you say, "internecine struggle among the Shia themselves, between the Badr brigades and other radical militants on the one hand and Maliki and Sistani on the other."? That is, you don't even know what has been going on Iraq since the invasion and occupation.
"That is, you don't even know what has been going on Iraq since the invasion and occupation."
Of course he doesn't. His primary function is to reply before everyone else with "thank, you engram," not to provide commentary based on any real understanding of the issues. If you want to discuss said issues using information from real sources, there's not much for you here. Engram won't answer serious challenges, as he'd risk exposing the fact that he doesn't really know that much, and the few commenters who try mustering their third-rate arguments will generally scatter after one or two volleys.
According to the Chinese proverb, real knowledge is knowing the extent of one's own ignorance. I'm not embarassed because I don't pretend to be smarter than all the other readers of this blog.
Real ignorance, however, shouts loudest when it is completely Anonymous.
It's amazing that Warrior-Poet and Anonymous spend so much time studying this ignorant blog. And all my ignorant comments.
So Garth, you agree that you dont know much about Iraq. Isnt it difficult to try to make an opinion and stick to it strongly when you knowingly arent very educated on it?
Anonymous and Warrior-poet-
Enough insults. Educate us.
Given your expertise:
What do you think the outcome of the violence we're currently seeing will be in 1 month? 3 months?
Will this be the tipping point for our withdrawl?
Will maliki's efforts to rout their enemies be successful?
Are those involved in the violence supported by the general populace?
Do you agree when these militias are characterized as "rogue" elements- i.e. fringe and therefore more likely to be controlled?
Did Maliki do the right thing by attacking?
Are Sadrs requests for a stand-down likely to be honored by militias?
I may show my ignorance in those questions- I invite your clarifications.
"It's amazing that Warrior-Poet and Anonymous spend so much time studying this ignorant blog. And all my ignorant comments."
How much time do I spend studying this blog? How would you know? With the almost gospel-like status you attach to nearly everything engram posts, who spends more time studying this ignorant blog?
Of course, there are thousands upon thousands of ignorant blogs spouting pro-war propaganda. It's the ones that pretend to be something other than ignorant propaganda blogs that piss me off.
Mr. Mysterio said,
"So Garth, you agree that you dont know much about Iraq.
I didn't say that. You did.
As far as opinions go, I have a few of them. And some are strong. One strong opinion is that we have a moral obligation not to abandon the Iraqi people to civil war if we can possibly help it. But I'm open to hearing the other side, that is if Mr. Anonymous would offer anything but questions and juvenile taunts. I've offered plenty of opinions. Let's hear something substantive from him before we go much further. I mean something besides "you're stupid LOL ahahahahah."
And, contrary to what Anonymous/Warrior-Poet implies, I have argued with Engram rather a lot. I'm certain this blog is not the monolithic conservative Republican conspiracy he/it envisions.
My arguments about the impending recession are pretty constant. I've also emphasized that we won't win in Iraq just by defeating AQI. I recall noting that it would be moving the goal posts.
Because my comments are always under my own peculiar nom de plume you can google it if you're really that obsessed with me. See for yourself if I'm consistent or reasonable or truly ignorant.
Oh, yeah, and I make lots of mistakes. To coin a phrase, it just proves I'm human. If I thought I knew everything I wouldn't need to have conversations. Or maybe I could just go to blogs I disagree with and tell them how stupid they are.
This game of gotcha is pretty silly. To top it off I have to try to remember that I'm arguing with a gust of hot air who will never be pinned down on anything because he can't be restricted by any one definite persona. So he can go ahead and have the last word: I know, I know, we're really stupid.
"This game of gotcha is pretty silly. To top it off I have to try to remember that I'm arguing with a gust of hot air who will never be pinned down on anything because he can't be restricted by any one definite persona. So he can go ahead and have the last word: I know, I know, we're really stupid."
That entire paragraph had the wind knocked out of its sails the second you claimed that you were "arguing." You're not arguing - you're putting your tail between your legs and playing the part of the humble old man. It's something people do when they know they can't win as a way of taking the sport out of debating them.
You can wax philosophical all day, but political debates are and always will be a nasty, nasty game. If you refer to someone like engram as an authority on that game, then you're likely to find yourself consistently behind on the scoreboard.
Warrior-Poet,
I didn't say I was done arguing with you. Or, are you saying you're really Mr. Anonymous aka Socky McPuppet? One good thing about trolls and flame wars is they drive up traffic to the blog. So please feel free to run up the "score".
In response to your comment, first, do you really think you're engaged in "political debate" or any kind of "debate" by calling someone an "old man"? Sorry, you're just reverting back to your classic "neener neener." I love sharp argument. It's my job.
But what you do is pure juvenile name-calling. Silly and boring too. By the way, am I still a "warmonger"? Mmmmm, now that's some delicious "debate."
I'm still waiting for Anonymous and warrior poet to answer my questions. I'll defer to their expertise.
"I didn't say I was done arguing with you."
Oh, but you are, and have been for some time now.
"Or, are you saying you're really Mr. Anonymous aka Socky McPuppet? One good thing about trolls and flame wars is they drive up traffic to the blog. So please feel free to run up the "score".
Why? Do you get royalties for being engram's loyal thank-you bot?
"In response to your comment, first, do you really think you're engaged in "political debate" or any kind of "debate" by calling someone an "old man"?"
Of course. Flaming and debating aren't mutually exclusive; you'll find, in fact, that they can complement each other quite nicely. Not that calling you an old man is really even flaming - it's just blunt honesty.
"Sorry, you're just reverting back to your classic "neener neener." I love sharp argument. It's my job."
Then you need to find a new one. I don't need to prove to anyone here that I can debate the issues - I've done it before, only to be met with silence. Sure, I may not be pleasant to deal with, but someone who debates the issues unpleasantly is always a step above someone who just complains about the way things are said, which is what you are doing.
hey warrior- Again, I'd love to hear your responses to my questions. You've spent as much time barking at Garth for no gain- when you could have been substantive and tried sharing your debating skills and wisdom on my questions.
This is your last chance to respond before I start to BELIEVE you're a real pr*ck
"hey warrior- Again, I'd love to hear your responses to my questions. You've spent as much time barking at Garth for no gain- when you could have been substantive and tried sharing your debating skills and wisdom on my questions."
I answered the last set of questions you threw at me, and in turn asked quite nicely that you (or anyone for that matter) return the favor. It didn't happen. Don't feel bad, though; it seems to be a rather common trend around here.
"This is your last chance to respond before I start to BELIEVE you're a real pr*ck"
Tell someone who gives a fuck.
warrior poet-
what planet are you living on? my questions were:
What do you think the outcome of the violence we're currently seeing will be in 1 month? 3 months?
Will this be the tipping point for our withdrawl?
Will maliki's efforts to rout their enemies be successful?
Are those involved in the violence supported by the general populace?
Do you agree when these militias are characterized as "rogue" elements- i.e. fringe and therefore more likely to be controlled?
Did Maliki do the right thing by attacking?
Are Sadrs requests for a stand-down likely to be honored by militias?
You say you answered them. Point me to the time of your post where you answered and I'll believe it.
Also point to any evidence that you've been polite here. Can't do it? Not surprised, another lie on your part.
You've got anger issues, dude. Did your mother not hug you very much as a kid?
In Warrior-Poet's mind he's way out in front on the "scoreboard" for the trivial comments here that four or five people--tops--are reading now. And he imagines that he plays "a nasty, nasty game" because he called me an "old man" and used the word "fuck." Warrior-Poet's strange self-satisfaction reminds me of a startled infant when he first realizes the bizarre substance he's producing from his own bottom.
"You say you answered them. Point me to the time of your post where you answered and I'll believe it."
That is not what I said.
"You've got anger issues, dude. Did your mother not hug you very much as a kid?"
No, but yours did.
"Warrior-Poet's strange self-satisfaction reminds me of a startled infant when he first realizes the bizarre substance he's producing from his own bottom."
You mean it reminds you of the time that engram tried to figure out what was stuck up his ass, and found out that it was your nose?
Seriously, if you can't debate the issues with me, do you really think you're going to fare better playing the insult game?
Warrior-Poet,
First, what "issue" have you tried to debate with me? Maybe I missed something but I don't recall one substantive comment you made in this entire thread. It's all 100%infantile insults. Like "nose up butt" and "your momma hugged me."
Oh, ow, ow, stop! Please! I'm an old man, you'll hurt my feelings. And the obscenity is so shocking!
I can't imagine what you mean about "fare better." I'm not sure what you think I'm trying to accomplish. Honestly, I just enjoy reading your hilarious comments. You seem to think that the more obscene and insulting you are then the higher your "score" will be. God only knows what this scoreboard in your mind tallies up, but it's a hoot trying to picture it. Do you give yourself some kind of ribbon or trophy when you score your personal best?
I'm certain I'd never want to meet you personally. Who knows, maybe the tone of your voice would actually get my goat? But having a conversation with you on the web is like watching a monkey in a sealed glass cage trying to fling poo at me. You are truly hysterical. I assume unintentionally, but maybe you just have an extremely wry, self-deprecating sense of humor with inane statements about how you're running up the "scoreboard."
Anyway, thanks for tonight's show. Will you be performing tomorrow?
"First, what "issue" have you tried to debate with me? Maybe I missed something but I don't recall one substantive comment you made in this entire thread."
What is there to debate with you? What have you done here except curl up into the fetal position and complain? Sure, you tried putting an analysis together with your original post, but that anonymous guy unraveled it pretty quickly. Since then, you've just asserted that he needs to prove that he knows more about the topic than you do, when that's already been made abundantly clear. So no, you're not adding anything substantive either, just whining about other people being disrespectful, asking them to prove things they don't need to prove, and talking about the philosophy of debate rather than actually debating.
I, unlike you, CAN debate the issues, but that's a one-way street on this blog, and this is more fun.
"You seem to think that the more obscene and insulting you are then the higher your "score" will be."
That's not how it works at all. The more comments of yours that I knock down, the higher my score is. By the same token, when you make lame attempts at fighting fire with fire, giving me a taste of my own medicine etc etc like with the infant/shit comments, you're BEGGING to have it turned around on you. Hell, it'd be a crime if I didn't do it.
Oh, and you're right, I'm not doing this to impress anyone else. I'm doing it because I find it amusing - that's all. What about you? You've said about a million times that you think I'm juvenile, so why are YOU still replying? Why are YOU making poo jokes or flame attempts that are destined to fall on their ass? If you think this is a waste of time and that nobody is reading it, why are you bothering with me at all? It couldn't possibly be that I'm already pissing you off, could it?
Because you're hysterical. And it's fun to make you dance.
Dance, monkey, dance.
What's the matter, child? All out of wisdom to share? Or are you just interested in a contest for the last word?
OK, but I'm a little afraid because you play such a "nasty, nasty game." Even so, if a "contest for the last word" will help you run up your impressive total on the "scoreboard" in your mind I'm delighted to help.
Thought so.
What did you think?
=)
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