November 07, 2008

Now, it's Obama's War to Lose

At the CATO Institute, David Boaz says this:

A Sweeping Rejection of President Bush

Bush and the Republicans promised choice, freedom, reform, and a restrained federal government. They delivered massive overspending, the biggest expansion of entitlements in 40 years, centralization of education, a floundering war, an imperial presidency, civil liberties abuses, the intrusion of the federal government into social issues and personal freedoms, and finally a $700 billion bailout of Wall Street that just kept on growing in the last month of the campaign. Voters who believed in limited government had every reason to reject that record. (emphasis added)

Now, he does not say which war, but his list of complaints make me think he is referring to the "floundering war" in Iraq (because that's the war that is hated by those who also perceive Bush as having trampled our civil liberties). If that is the war in question, then his thinking about it seems a lot like Barack Obama's in that it is apparently stuck in time. It's as if we lost that war a long time ago, and the only left to do now is get out troops out of that quagmire as quickly as possible. Let me just briefly remind you how that floundering war is going:




Although Americans are catching on to the fact that we really did win the war in Iraq and that we may really have replaced a genocidal dictatorship with fledgling democracy, many others are still in the dark about it (so much so that they still believe that our effort there is floundering). Like it or not, George Bush won the war in Iraq and introduced democracy into the very heart of the Middle East. Now it's Barack Obama's war to lose.

It is not unfair to say that some on the left are uncomfortable with an American military victory in Iraq and that they see real value in a perceived defeat. Back in November of 2006 -- back when al Qaeda had successfully plunged Iraq into sectarian chaos and the Iraqi people needed us the most -- James Carroll (a columnist for the Boston Globe) seemed genuinely excited about the possibility of America's apparent defeat. In fact, he thought that America's defeat at the hands of the terrorist organization that attacked us on 9/11 would be downright educational:

What it will take to end war

By James Carroll | November 6, 2006
...
It is one thing to feel uneasy about your nation's war, or even to move to a position of outright opposition. It is another to face the harsh fact that the only way out of the war is to accept defeat.
...
For all of the anguish felt over the loss of American lives, can we acknowledge that there is something proper in the way that hubristic American power has been thwarted? Can we admit that the loss of honor will not come with how the war ends, because we lost our honor when we began it? This time, can we accept defeat?

As you can see from my chart above, Barack Obama was, indeed, willing to accept defeat because he introduced a bill to withdraw our troops from Iraq just two months later. The difference is that he did not openly discuss the matter in defeatist terms. That is, he proposed to ensure our perceived defeat without coming out and saying something silly like "This time, can we accept defeat?" Fortunately for us (and for the people of Iraq), Bush was not as excited about the prospect of an American defeat, so he ordered a surge of troops that has yielded an incredible outcome that few thought possible.

As I said, now it is Obama's war to lose, and I am really curious to see if he will stick to withdraw-at-all-costs Pavlovian reflex in order to appease the Moveon.org anti-war fanatics or if he will simply adopt the Bush policy of withdrawing in a way that ensures that the hard-fought gains will be maintained. In that regard, our military commanders have some advice for Obama:

Senior U.S. military officials will likely advise Barack Obama to adjust his campaign pledge to withdraw all U.S. combat troops from Iraq by mid-2010. While promising a 16-month timetable for getting all U.S. fighting forces out, Obama repeatedly insisted on what he calls a "responsible" withdrawal...officers believe the security gains in Iraq would be put at risk if troops were withdrawn before the Iraqi security forces are in a position to protect their own communities and borders.

My best guess is that Obama will find a way to essentially adopt Bush's policy, but he'll describe it in a way that sounds like he going to "end this war" (and he'll strive never to refer to the functioning democracy now in place -- as if Iraq is as bad as it was under Saddam Hussein, contrary to what those crazy neocons believe). Then again, he might just stick to his repeated promise to the American people to withdraw our troops as quickly as possible no matter what. What a tragedy that would be.

22 comments:

Fire Baby said...

So the real question here is: Will Obama keep his promise to the American people, a question that possibly is part of the reason why he got the vote, or does he follow Bush's plan which will keep the gains we have won so far in this war? I'm not exactly sure of an answer. It's good to maintain the gains we have gotten, but it is also important that he keep the promises he has made to his citizens.

reoconnot said...

To summarize fire baby, your position is that: A stupid promise made by an uniformed or deeply cynical candidate to an uninformed electorate - which promise will have disastrous results if kept, should be kept?

Hilarious.

Fire Baby said...

Lmao. ok good one, reoconnot. I might be swinging towards that but i was just putting a question out their. keep honesty with people. or follow Prez. Bush and the plan that "saves" us from possible outcomes.

joe six-pack said...

I disagree. I believe that President-elect Obama will follow through on this war issue at once.

He will persist in maintaining a defensive posture long after it has become obivious that it was a mistake.

bagoh20 said...

The President-elect has reversed himself on most campaign promises, why not this one. I saw him say the surge would not work and then i saw him say he never said it. I saw him promise and agree to go the public financed campaign route and then disgustingly go back on it. There are endless others. This reversal is not even a challenge for him. Move-on will go under that bus just like all the others who are no longer needed. Barack will protect Barack, period.

Fire Baby said...

ok so you think, bagoh20, that we have elected a president who doesn't have the USA'a people and our nation's best intrest at heart? So this man, this single man, has fooled every single american who voted for him into thinking he cares. that's nice, we now have a cold hearted snake for a President. that'll help me sleep well at night. lol

looking for light said...

Haven't the Iraqis said that they want a stated date for withdrawl of U.S. forces from their country?

Isn't that kind of what people like Russ Feingold, and Barack Obama have been asking for all along? Just some sort of idea what the arc of our participation in whatever it is we're supposed to be doing in Iraq is likely to look like?

I know its a hard concept to grasp, but maybe we do need to get out of Iraq and let them deal with their own affairs.

What have we gained in this war? Saddam is gone. That's about the list, really.

reoconnot said...

"What have we gained in this war? Saddam is gone. That's about the list, really."

Spoken like a typical uninformed leftie. This might help you get a clue.

1. Saddam not only gone but he is not developing nuclear weapons or WMD as he now would be if not removed.
2. al Qaeda defeated in Iraq - not only by us but by Iraqis.
3. al Qaeda's reputation severely damaged throughout the Muslim world.
4. tens of thousands of jihadists killed and captured.
5. Iraq a fledgling democracy.
6. AQ Khan network exposed & shut down.
7. Libya gives up nuclear program.
8. Iraq fighting on our side in the war on terror.
9 naive and clueless approach of leftists as to how to fight terrorism exposed for what it is - navie and clueless (it will take some time for this to sink in unfortunately

Fire Baby said...

looking for light, Thank you! i really think i understand what ure saying. ure right, i also think that we should get out of Iraq and let them handle their own buisiness. Reoconnot, all those thinggs on your list result in the US stiking our nose in other countries buissiness, yes, but did u ever think that our way, the way we say everyone must act is the right way? i'm not saying that our way is wrong and their way is pure gold. i'm asking, who appointed us the judge. Who made us responsible to change how every other country we runs, so it fits our conscience and agenda.

joe six-pack said...

The war in Iraq is primarily responsible for the fact that the U.S. has not been hit. The enemy committed his 'army' against ours in an environment ideal for mechanized units. He got a bloody nose. Our enemy is nowhere near being knocked out.

The reasons that I want to continue fighting and waging offensive warfare are:
1) No more stoning of ANYONE to death.
2) Penalty for leaving Islam is death.
3) The moral obligation to "Kill the occupiers" of Muslim land.
4) Payment of Tribute. Even if this exempts from military service. The U.S. has already killed Muslims for attempting to extend this 'law'.
5)Multiple womens testomony equals one man.
6) Beat your wife.
7) Loyalty to religion over your government. Robert E. Lee was more loyal to Virgina than he was to our federal government.
8) Jihad
9) Islamic electoral policy has been classically summarized as “One man, (men only) one vote, once.”

These issues are worth waging war over. As we have all seen how the enemy reacts to attempted change in these issues.

Fire Baby said...

all those things are bad, i know. but answer this. why don't the people stand up? it's been asked over and over again, and ill say it again. Why don't the people stand up for what THEY believe in. Since the US hasn't been hit, that gives us permission to take matters into our own hands?

joe six-pack said...

Permission to defend yourself? I have never thought that Iraq had anthing directly to do with 9/11. I did not care then, I do not care today. It is the ideology that we are at war with. The excuse was WMD in Iraq. In war, it is an advantage to force your enemy to attack you on ground of your choosing.

President Obama will assume a strategic defensive posture. It will take a few months to begin to take effect. Things will quiet down. Then we shall see how well our enemies can re-deploy and expand their operations.

This war is far from being over, withdrawal from Iraq or not.

Fire Baby said...

Whoa joe_ im tired and im not sure if i get what ure saying, but do you seriously not care. i think you do. otherwise you wouldn't be here with us arguing different point about the subject. I for certain did care when 9/11 happened. And this war needs to end. sheesh, how did we get onto 9/11 anyway.? lol

Freedomnow said...

You have to ask your self what your priorities are...

Is it more important that the war in Iraq ends or that our enemies are defeated?

Just remember that withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq doesnt end the war. It would probably have the opposite effect.

The U.S. is the only thing keep the Sunnis and Shiites from going back to war with one another.

THINK!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fire Baby said...

ok ok ok.... lol im thinking. ;) i guess i do see yoour point. I have been caught up in just the idea of getting soldiers out of iraq without looking past. I don't like the war, but you right taking troops out won't end it..... i sigh in defeat..... :P don't worry i'll be back.. ;)

ok i'm bak! freedom now said to look at priorities. what are yours. should this war end now or should we defeat the enimies no matter the cost?

joe six-pack said...

It only takes one to start a war. Or to keep one going. We cannot end this war by quitting like we did in Vietnam. They will come after us again.

The number 1 rule of warfare is to 'know thy enemy'. Just listen to what they are saying. A big problem is that many of the views that our enemy has are held by much of the population throughout the Muslim world.

Change in the issues I have with Islam will be defended by organized warfare. Like the U.S. Civil war that ended the evil of slavery in this country, this war is worth waging to rid the world of these issues. Also like slavery, many people will defend that way of life.

I wish a way could have been found to end slavery in the U.S. without having to fight the Civil War. Or any war. The point is, sometimes wars are unavoidable simply because of the issues involved. These are some of those types of issues.

Fire Baby said...

well that was bloody brilliant and insightful :) i toootally see your point. Yes some wars are unavoidable. im not sure what exactly tto say to that. give me a couple hours.. ;)

SR said...

Engram,
Do you think today's Baghdad bombing was a resurgence of Al Q?

Fire Baby said...

Yo, engram where r u? What do u think. And let's put this out there: What do you(everyone)think about President-elect Obama being called a "House Negro" by Al-Queda?

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